Posted on 06/22/2006 8:05:20 AM PDT by sinkspur
The Republicans running the House may not be as smart as they think they are.
They may have misread the public mood, which prompted them to press GOP Speaker Dennis Hastert to put off immigration negotiations with the Senate until September.
They also may have misread some in their very own party.
A poll being released today by the conservative Manhattan Institute and conducted by the Republican Tarrance Group shows most of the 800 likely GOP voters questioned want a solution now, even one that deals with the 12 million illegal immigrants here. Some of those surveyed even will accept a plan they consider amnesty.
Those views are much more in line with the legislation the Senate has put on the negotiating table. That bill, which passed with Republican and Democratic votes, adds agents to the border, offers many illegal immigrants a chance to earn citizenship and creates a guest worker program for future foreign workers.
The Senate plan doesn't focus on a wall, like the House bill, nor does it call for deporting illegal immigrants.
But Mr. Hastert has ignored these voices and gone with his party's most vocal immigration opponents. It's no coincidence that the fall elections are fast approaching.
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Well, it's not too difficult to figure out that with citizenship comes voting privileges, and the pols think those new voters will vote for them.
Hopefully this hideous nation-killing migration explosion scheme will die and stay dead.
When you're giving them the facts, do you also tell them the Senate bill provides amnesty for the companies who have illegally hired illegal aliens?
Do you tell them the Senate bill provides amnesty for all illegal aliens who've committed felonies to obtain identification documents?
Do you tell them THOSE facts?
That may have been the House's plan but the way Bush supports Kennedy's bill I'm not sure it would have turned out that way.
Letters to the editor...have also spiked. Cohen Peart, the letters editor at the Denver Post, said it's rare for a single topic to get more than about a 20% share of the letters submitted, but immigration fills two-thirds of his inbox. Some 90% are anti-immigration. Mr. Peart's counterpart at the Rocky Mountain News, Steve Oelrich, said the flood of letters "seems to be continuing pretty unabated."
Aren't you the one who is always saying (rightfully) that polls are meaningless and can be easily skewed by the wording?
He and his family are also major-league scumbags who have ruined thousands of families. Please see Merchants of Deception.
What is your take on Mike Pence's compromise?
Yes. And they can be. The bottom line here is that the GOP is taking a big risk by doing nothing on immigration. AFAIC, that's a good thing as it leaves the status quo in place.
No bill this year means there won't be a bill during Bush's presidency.
LIE !!!! BS !!!!! CRAP !!!!!
In my opinion, no bill would be better than having the Senate bill, though I'd be OK with the Pence comprimise. What say you?
There are things I don't like about the Pence deal buts its a start. At least it is a vehicle to keep the ideas flowing. TO be honest, I am not sure what the reason is behind all illegals having to leave the country for a week to sign in across the border in his proposal. It sounds like to me that it would be more effective and cheaper to do it regionally. I suppose its symbolism. The guest worker program would be in there and it ties alot of stuff into real border security. I think there are parts of it that have real merit. I think its a start and might be the only solution that could mitigate the worse side effects of the house bill.
Pence would work for me, too. He deals in reality, where many in the House would rather dream that the borders can be closed, and all the illegals currently here are just going to go home because a business or two gets raided.
You make some good points in your post. But in the end, greed wins out. It costs nothing for Messssico to just ship their social problems up north.
Thanks for the mental prod...it is indeed Tamar Jacoby.
Here's a link with photo:
http://www.wkconline.org/index.php/seminars/speakerpage?sid=1442&seminarid=92
This would be so they could be screened for diseases as well as have a criminal background check performed. Those who fail these checks would be left in Mexico. With this new system in place, illegals who refuse to go home for these checks would not be desirable hires for employers. I think it's a pretty well thought out plan.
There is no "pathway to citizenship" in Pence's bill.
I'm glad you're on board with the Pence plan although Pence does want the borders closed and stepped-up enforcement on employers.
I've observed that Pence is able to attract folks on your side of this issue as well as people such as myself who are a bit more hard-line. Because of this, I feel he is a major rising star in the GOP.
There is no pathway to citizenship in the Pence plan. Workers on W visas would have to leave after a period of time.
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