Posted on 06/22/2006 8:05:20 AM PDT by sinkspur
The Republicans running the House may not be as smart as they think they are.
They may have misread the public mood, which prompted them to press GOP Speaker Dennis Hastert to put off immigration negotiations with the Senate until September.
They also may have misread some in their very own party.
A poll being released today by the conservative Manhattan Institute and conducted by the Republican Tarrance Group shows most of the 800 likely GOP voters questioned want a solution now, even one that deals with the 12 million illegal immigrants here. Some of those surveyed even will accept a plan they consider amnesty.
Those views are much more in line with the legislation the Senate has put on the negotiating table. That bill, which passed with Republican and Democratic votes, adds agents to the border, offers many illegal immigrants a chance to earn citizenship and creates a guest worker program for future foreign workers.
The Senate plan doesn't focus on a wall, like the House bill, nor does it call for deporting illegal immigrants.
But Mr. Hastert has ignored these voices and gone with his party's most vocal immigration opponents. It's no coincidence that the fall elections are fast approaching.
(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...
So true. Yep they misread it and are still misreading it big time. Also the longer this plays out the more poed large segments of the latino and Hispanic voters are going to get. Especially when groups and so called "conservative" news organizations make national stories of "illegal alien rapes puppy".
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=5074
There is a nastiness that has taken over segments of this debate.
Its funny but when I discussed the President's vision with folks after about 5 minutes of them getting the facts they would say that makes sense. But the House will look to short term political gains to which we have to pay for in the not too far distant future. This nastiness will bite us big time soon. The American people will take a look at it and turn their backs on it.
I still have hope though that the President's and other conservatives vision will be enacted. This comprehensive approach has now been prounced dead two or three times this year and it keeps on getting back up.
Polls can be skewed depending on the questions and how they are asked--which unfortunately, we don't usually get to see.
Conservatives DO NOT support the Senate's liberal immigration reform proposal. S.2611 will never see the light of day. HR4437 is the right approach. If you want illegals to have a path to citizenship and a guest worker option, you support AMNESTY. Bush stands with Kennedy, McCain and the other pro-amnesty Senators. There is nothing conservative about supporting S.2611. Under the IRCA of 1986, Reagan supported strong enforcement measures to go along with a one-time ONLY amnesty provision. Reagan was rewarded with Ted Kennedy underfunding the employer sanctions, while amnesty was granted to 2.6 million illegals. No need to make the same mistake again. That is, unless you support open borders and amnesty. The American people understand securing the borders and enforcement of employer sanctions must come first.
I don't know why there's an ongoing effort to grant citizenship. The people coming here illegally aren't traditional immigrants who want to be Americans; they want the money, not citizenship. All that most of them want is to not be kicked out.
Nice that the Dallas Morning News cares so much about the fortunes of the GOP. I'm sure their concerns are as genuine as the NY Times, who always seem to want to give the same free advice about illegals. Maybe it has something to do with the fact they know the democrats will ultimately get about 60% of that vote?
Would that be Tamar Jacoby?
DeVos is a globalist in the tradition of Bush...
No doubt they are the subscribers to the WSJ...
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
You got it. They don't want the House exposing this cockroach called the Senate bill to the light.
The DMN endorse Bush both times so their editorial is no surprise.
I know there is a effort to portray the Presidents vision as Dem and liberal. But it is truly not. There are conservatives that support the Presidents bill. Senator Martinez from Florida and Sentor Graham from South Carolina, and Senator Brownback from Kansas just to name some in the Senate. The Governor of Arkansas and also Southern Baptist minister Mike Huckabee is pretty conservative and he supports the Presidents approach.
There is nothing liberal about not supporting an approach that to many of us conservatives thinks makes as much sense as treating a Headache with radation treatments.
I know that some Dems are supporting this bill. But right now I am kind of worried who conservatives are getting in bed with on the other side of this debate. We need to make sure our own house is in order. We are associating with groups that have some mighty disturbing people in positions of influence. Former Governor Lamm for instance that sits on FAIRS advisory board. This is the Governor that is very radical. Propoent of a radical population control agenda. Euthanasia ,liberal aborton polices and so on. We are associating also with people like the leader of the anti illegal immigration movement in Arkansas,Joe McCutcheon , that is a racist amd anti Jewish. We are associating with the Council of Conservative Citizens that is basically the Klan meets the chamber of commerce. But somehow they are being quoted in newspapers and on Lou Dobbs. We are associating and making common cause with people that see Globalist under their bed and think things like Nafta will bring down the republic.
Does that mean that all people that support the House bill are racist. Of course not. I know many that are right up there with you 100 percent and are horrified at these folks. But if we are going to examine every hint of this La Raza take over theory perhaps will should be seeing who our allies our in these. So Kennedy supporting the Bill does not concern me that much. Both sides have their undesirables.
The Senate bill was written by immigration attorneys paid for by Ted Kennedy. True conservatives are not about to get in bed with this socialist clown from Massachusets. Nope, not going to happen.
Since they are asking...
1) We want the borders to be sealed and all illegals out of the country NOW.
2) Passing the Senate bill (or anything close) is not even an option. Passage of the Senate bill would destroy this country as we know it.
3) When it comes to the Senate bill or the amnesty program proposed by President Bush, I would rather see nothing done now. Just let the problem keep getting worse and the voters get more upset. When the public DOES finally explode then maybe there will be a major housecleaning in Washington DC.
I asked this question several days ago.
Never did receive and answer.
I understand there is concerns about the Senate bill. But in reality anything that would come out of conference isnt going too have all that horrible garbage and excess in it. Its a whole new ball game. The plan was ,till the house decided to have these hearings, was that all these stuff would be combined and the bad stuff in both bills be excised.
That's a true conservative solution, all right.
So conservative that it's supported by Senators Kerry, Kennedy, Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Leahy, Obama, Reed, Boxer, and Schumer.
It must be some kind of great legislation to get all these noted conservatives on board.
No they didn't, they read it 100% dead on the money.
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