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Risky Bet on Immigration: House GOP leaders' stall could backfire
Dallas Morning News ^ | 6/22/2006 | Editorial

Posted on 06/22/2006 8:05:20 AM PDT by sinkspur

The Republicans running the House may not be as smart as they think they are.

They may have misread the public mood, which prompted them to press GOP Speaker Dennis Hastert to put off immigration negotiations with the Senate until September.

They also may have misread some in their very own party.

A poll being released today by the conservative Manhattan Institute and conducted by the Republican Tarrance Group shows most of the 800 likely GOP voters questioned want a solution now, even one that deals with the 12 million illegal immigrants here. Some of those surveyed even will accept a plan they consider amnesty.

Those views are much more in line with the legislation the Senate has put on the negotiating table. That bill, which passed with Republican and Democratic votes, adds agents to the border, offers many illegal immigrants a chance to earn citizenship and creates a guest worker program for future foreign workers.

The Senate plan doesn't focus on a wall, like the House bill, nor does it call for deporting illegal immigrants.

But Mr. Hastert has ignored these voices and gone with his party's most vocal immigration opponents. It's no coincidence that the fall elections are fast approaching.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnestypimps; congress; deportem; gop; hr4437; immigrantlist; immigration; openborderslobby; sealthebordernow; shamnesty; ushouse
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To: sinkspur

So true. Yep they misread it and are still misreading it big time. Also the longer this plays out the more poed large segments of the latino and Hispanic voters are going to get. Especially when groups and so called "conservative" news organizations make national stories of "illegal alien rapes puppy".
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=5074

There is a nastiness that has taken over segments of this debate.

Its funny but when I discussed the President's vision with folks after about 5 minutes of them getting the facts they would say that makes sense. But the House will look to short term political gains to which we have to pay for in the not too far distant future. This nastiness will bite us big time soon. The American people will take a look at it and turn their backs on it.

I still have hope though that the President's and other conservatives vision will be enacted. This comprehensive approach has now been prounced dead two or three times this year and it keeps on getting back up.


61 posted on 06/22/2006 9:25:56 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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To: sinkspur
I'll reserve judgment until I see the questions.

Polls can be skewed depending on the questions and how they are asked--which unfortunately, we don't usually get to see.

62 posted on 06/22/2006 9:29:29 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist
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To: catholicfreeper
>>>>>I still have hope though that the President's and other conservatives vision will be enacted.

Conservatives DO NOT support the Senate's liberal immigration reform proposal. S.2611 will never see the light of day. HR4437 is the right approach. If you want illegals to have a path to citizenship and a guest worker option, you support AMNESTY. Bush stands with Kennedy, McCain and the other pro-amnesty Senators. There is nothing conservative about supporting S.2611. Under the IRCA of 1986, Reagan supported strong enforcement measures to go along with a one-time ONLY amnesty provision. Reagan was rewarded with Ted Kennedy underfunding the employer sanctions, while amnesty was granted to 2.6 million illegals. No need to make the same mistake again. That is, unless you support open borders and amnesty. The American people understand securing the borders and enforcement of employer sanctions must come first.

63 posted on 06/22/2006 9:42:08 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders; enforce employer sanctions; stop welfare handouts to illegals)
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To: sinkspur
That bill, which passed with Republican and Democratic votes, adds agents to the border, offers many illegal immigrants a chance to earn citizenship and creates a guest worker program for future foreign workers.

I don't know why there's an ongoing effort to grant citizenship. The people coming here illegally aren't traditional immigrants who want to be Americans; they want the money, not citizenship. All that most of them want is to not be kicked out.

64 posted on 06/22/2006 9:47:50 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: GarySpFc
The Manhattan Institute is a very pro-illegal alien group.

I can't recall her name, but there's some open-borders lady from The
Manhattan Institute that appears on TV occassionally.
I'll try to be nice, but let's just say she looks like Klinger of MASH,
only with salt-and-pepper hair.

Besides, who names an institute after a mixed drink?
65 posted on 06/22/2006 9:49:28 AM PDT by VOA
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To: sinkspur
Risky Bet on Immigration: House GOP leaders' stall could backfire

Nice that the Dallas Morning News cares so much about the fortunes of the GOP. I'm sure their concerns are as genuine as the NY Times, who always seem to want to give the same free advice about illegals. Maybe it has something to do with the fact they know the democrats will ultimately get about 60% of that vote?

66 posted on 06/22/2006 9:55:38 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: VOA
I can't recall her name, but there's some open-borders lady from The Manhattan Institute that appears on TV occassionally.

Would that be Tamar Jacoby?

67 posted on 06/22/2006 9:57:39 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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68 posted on 06/22/2006 10:00:09 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: cripplecreek
I've been looking for a stance from Dick DeVos on immigration and I can tell you I won't be voting for anyone who doesn't have a stance or or supports the Bush amnesty plan.

DeVos is a globalist in the tradition of Bush...

69 posted on 06/22/2006 10:05:17 AM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: Bigg Red
The 800 surveyed were RINOs, then.

No doubt they are the subscribers to the WSJ...

70 posted on 06/22/2006 10:06:55 AM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: sinkspur
The Open Borders Lobby is opening with full guns blazing, for shamnesty. They are desperate to see it get through before Americans can stop it cold.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

71 posted on 06/22/2006 10:07:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The Open Borders Lobby is opening with full guns blazing, for shamnesty. They are desperate to see it get through before Americans can stop it cold.

You got it. They don't want the House exposing this cockroach called the Senate bill to the light.

72 posted on 06/22/2006 10:12:29 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: sinkspur
Both Texas senators voted against the Senate bill. In the House the Texas delegation voted 21-10 for the bill with one no vote (Barton-R). The vote was on party lines.

The DMN endorse Bush both times so their editorial is no surprise.

73 posted on 06/22/2006 10:25:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Reagan Man

I know there is a effort to portray the Presidents vision as Dem and liberal. But it is truly not. There are conservatives that support the Presidents bill. Senator Martinez from Florida and Sentor Graham from South Carolina, and Senator Brownback from Kansas just to name some in the Senate. The Governor of Arkansas and also Southern Baptist minister Mike Huckabee is pretty conservative and he supports the Presidents approach.

There is nothing liberal about not supporting an approach that to many of us conservatives thinks makes as much sense as treating a Headache with radation treatments.

I know that some Dems are supporting this bill. But right now I am kind of worried who conservatives are getting in bed with on the other side of this debate. We need to make sure our own house is in order. We are associating with groups that have some mighty disturbing people in positions of influence. Former Governor Lamm for instance that sits on FAIRS advisory board. This is the Governor that is very radical. Propoent of a radical population control agenda. Euthanasia ,liberal aborton polices and so on. We are associating also with people like the leader of the anti illegal immigration movement in Arkansas,Joe McCutcheon , that is a racist amd anti Jewish. We are associating with the Council of Conservative Citizens that is basically the Klan meets the chamber of commerce. But somehow they are being quoted in newspapers and on Lou Dobbs. We are associating and making common cause with people that see Globalist under their bed and think things like Nafta will bring down the republic.

Does that mean that all people that support the House bill are racist. Of course not. I know many that are right up there with you 100 percent and are horrified at these folks. But if we are going to examine every hint of this La Raza take over theory perhaps will should be seeing who our allies our in these. So Kennedy supporting the Bill does not concern me that much. Both sides have their undesirables.


74 posted on 06/22/2006 10:29:19 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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To: catholicfreeper
So Kennedy supporting the Bill does not concern me that much. Both sides have their undesirables

The Senate bill was written by immigration attorneys paid for by Ted Kennedy. True conservatives are not about to get in bed with this socialist clown from Massachusets. Nope, not going to happen.

75 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:44 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: sinkspur

Since they are asking...

1) We want the borders to be sealed and all illegals out of the country NOW.

2) Passing the Senate bill (or anything close) is not even an option. Passage of the Senate bill would destroy this country as we know it.

3) When it comes to the Senate bill or the amnesty program proposed by President Bush, I would rather see nothing done now. Just let the problem keep getting worse and the voters get more upset. When the public DOES finally explode then maybe there will be a major housecleaning in Washington DC.


76 posted on 06/22/2006 10:39:37 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: calvo

I asked this question several days ago.

Never did receive and answer.


77 posted on 06/22/2006 10:41:32 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I understand there is concerns about the Senate bill. But in reality anything that would come out of conference isnt going too have all that horrible garbage and excess in it. Its a whole new ball game. The plan was ,till the house decided to have these hearings, was that all these stuff would be combined and the bad stuff in both bills be excised.


78 posted on 06/22/2006 10:43:33 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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To: catholicfreeper

That's a true conservative solution, all right.

So conservative that it's supported by Senators Kerry, Kennedy, Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Leahy, Obama, Reed, Boxer, and Schumer.

It must be some kind of great legislation to get all these noted conservatives on board.


79 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:22 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: sinkspur

No they didn't, they read it 100% dead on the money.


80 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:58 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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