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Man Wins Case After Firing Over Confederate Flag
AP ^ | 4/23/06

Posted on 04/23/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside

Man Wins Case After Firing Over Confederate Flag

Worker Refused To Remove Confederate License Plate

POSTED: 7:50 am EDT April 21, 2006

TAMPA, Fla. -- A man who was fired by the city of Tampa for refusing to remove his Confederate flag license plate has settled a lawsuit against the city.

Larry Carpenter will receive $4,500. But Carpenter, an employee in good standing for six years, won't get his job back as a traffic maintenance specialist.

The paper reported that Carpenter's case began in January 2002, when his boss told him to remove the tag because someone had complained. Carpenter would not follow the order to remove the tag, so he was repeatedly disciplined. His discipline included negative comments on his annual evaluation, suspension without pay on three occasions and then firing in September 2002, The Tampa Tribune reported.

However, his attorney said Carpenter feels "vindicated."

"He feels vindicated," attorney Luke Lirot told the Tribune, "by knowing the courts have recognized he had a First Amendment right to display the Confederate flag as a reflection of his Southern heritage and traditions that he viewed as important."

Carpenter was fired in 2002 after he refused an order by the city's Public Works Department to remove the flag or park his truck off city property.

Lirot said his client belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which “celebrates Southern tradition” and has black members.

"It's not racist at all," Lirot said


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: confederateflag; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; florida; lawsuit; licenseplate; ruling; saintandrewscross; scv; workplace
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1 posted on 04/23/2006 10:32:47 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
"....the courts have recognized he had a First Amendment right to display the Confederate flag as a reflection of his Southern heritage and traditions that he viewed as important."

He was given $4500 to basically STFU. He still lost his job.

2 posted on 04/23/2006 10:36:31 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: randog

"He was given $4500 to basically STFU. He still lost his job."

He probably paid his laywer more than that to try the case.


3 posted on 04/23/2006 10:38:19 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("truth is not invalidated by suppression"--nicmarlo)
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To: Mr. Brightside

What an idiot. Oh yeah I got $4,500 [which will be gone in two weeks]. I have no job and this will stain my resume for any future employment consideration. All because I wanted to worship a relic from the 1800s.


4 posted on 04/23/2006 10:40:10 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Remove card rapidly)
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To: Mr. Brightside

I am in no way a supporter of the confederate battle flag . . . but I don't think the City should have had any say in what the man had on his own personal vehicle.


5 posted on 04/23/2006 10:42:12 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: randog

He should have parked off the property and then walked around looking for another state specialty plate. Then make a complaint that the plate "offends" him. Florida has a ton of specialty plates.

No action on the other plate owner? Then sue. He'd win and still have his job.


6 posted on 04/23/2006 10:42:35 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Mr. Brightside

We would probably be irritated if this fellow had a FreeRepublic plate on his car and his government told him to remove it. Or if he was parked at a government school with an American flag and the government school told him to remove it.

Maintaining a consistent position and avoiding situational ethics is a good thing.


7 posted on 04/23/2006 10:42:42 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Rebelbase

This wasn't a victory. The city setteled because it was cheaper to do so than to go through with the case. The Sons of Confederate Veterans or likeminded organizations with a legal arm should have filed to join his suit, and carried it through. What Tampa was doing was unconstitutional.


8 posted on 04/23/2006 10:43:17 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He would be an idiot if he values materialism over principle. And, there are almost always other jobs.
9 posted on 04/23/2006 10:47:16 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What an idiot. Oh yeah I got $4,500 [which will be gone in two weeks]. I have no job and this will stain my resume for any future employment consideration. All because I wanted to worship a relic from the 1800s.

What an idiot. Oh yeah I got $4,500 [which will be gone in two weeks]. I have no job and this will stain my resume for any future employment considerations. All because I wanted to put a bumper sticker on my car supporting [right wing causes, a right-wing web-site, gun-nuts, a failed war in Iraq, pro-lifers].

Just wanted to see how your post would look on DU and see if you would still support it. Sort of a test to see if your position is due to the contents of the license plate or the principle of the thing.
10 posted on 04/23/2006 10:48:20 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Mr. Brightside

I hope he invests his hard earned settlement wisely, like in $4480 in Lotto tickets and the rest in beer and chew.


11 posted on 04/23/2006 10:48:29 AM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
He got fired for having a license plate which is officially issued by the state he lives in. Somehow that doesn't make sense. But if he valued the job, maybe he should have just parked elsewhere.

I'm going to avoid Tampa now that they've fired the guy whose job it was to maintain the traffic...I assume the traffic is in an awful mess by now.

12 posted on 04/23/2006 10:50:04 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Having read the account, I see no evidence whatsoever that he worshipped any relics. He did behave with principle and was vindicated in the courts, the venue our society has established to decide these matters.

I have observed many relics in the churches here in Bavaria, grizzly collections of bones and skulls. Shall I inform the locals that they are worshipping "relics?"

Maybe we should let this man have his principles, and another his faith. Maybe we should feel a bit of gratitude that this man has won a small battle against the thought police on our behalf.


13 posted on 04/23/2006 10:53:31 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, Attack..... Bull Halsey)
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To: Mr. Brightside
He settled way too cheaply. This guy should have gotten the same thing the minorities receive when they scream racism and prejudice (which is a settlement in the neighborhood of tens to hundreds of thousands from deep pockets).

If the PC crowd gets away with outlawing the Confederate Battle Flag that is displayed by ancestors of those men, then where will the line be drawn. A relic of the past? I guess the Cross representing Christianity could be also construed as such. Rectal orifices that pick and choose their free speech issues are liberals, Commies and RINO's that have big mouths that are made to offend, much like the liberals, commies, and RINOs/Democrats.

14 posted on 04/23/2006 10:53:57 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Mr. Brightside

The title says he won, the first line says he settled. 4500 bucks and no job sounds like he settled which isn't winning in any shape, way or form.


15 posted on 04/23/2006 10:55:44 AM PDT by kenth
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To: Mr. Brightside
Lirot said his client belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which “celebrates Southern tradition” and has black members.

This is true. The SCV does not discriminate. If you have ancestors that were Confederate soldiers and can demonstrate it, you can join. That being said the Confederate flag cannot be a symbol of hate. It now is a symbol of a common heritage. This is something many other symbols cannot show.
16 posted on 04/23/2006 10:55:52 AM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: Verginius Rufus

"He got fired for having a license plate which is officially issued by the state he lives in. Somehow that doesn't make sense."

No, it doesn't. But does Florida really issue a confederate flag license plate? I think Florida is one of a few states that only require one license plate, rather than two, so many Florida cars have vanity "plates" in the front. Maybe this was one of those.


17 posted on 04/23/2006 11:01:12 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: nathanbedford

Talk about your relics of the past.


18 posted on 04/23/2006 11:07:02 AM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I have no job and this will stain my resume for any future employment consideration. All because I wanted to worship a relic from the 1800s.

Try using that argument with black activists...

19 posted on 04/23/2006 11:15:56 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Oh I am, I love it. I particularly like it when I display the Mississippi state flag on our flag pole for my visiting MS friends, most people are so damned ignorant they don't know what it is; then there's the 1st flag of the Confederacy, they STILL don't know what it is, then there's the Bonnie Blue Flag, then there's the... it goes on and on, 95% don't have a clue.

Best of all, on Cinco de Mayo here in Texas, I fly the "Come and Take It" flag, I thought that'd raise the ire of the libs during all the stupid illegal alien protestations but I don't think that they know what that is either LOL!


20 posted on 04/23/2006 11:18:18 AM PDT by brushcop (SPL Robert Hornbeck, missing in Savannah, GA since Easter, where are you Rob?)
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