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Anti-Serb Propaganda Misled Americans in '90s
The Patriot-News (Harrisburg, PA) ^ | Sunday 19 March 2006 | Stella L. Jatras

Posted on 03/20/2006 4:20:57 AM PST by Doctor13

AS I SEE IT Section of The Patriot-News,

As someone who has followed and written about the tragic civil war in the Balkans the March 12 headline, "Butcher" Milsoevic dies in jail,": prompted me to write yet another commentary giving the other side of the story.

I am no defender of Slobodan Milsoevic, who died under questionable circumstances, but in my opinion, he was nothing more than a two-bit dictator, and compared to Saddam Hussein, he was a piker. Unlike the treatment Milosevic received at The Hague, you can bet your bottom dollar that everything will be done to make sure Saddam gets a fair trial, and all the medical treatment he needs. Unlike Saddam, Milosevic was being tried in a trumpt-up International War Crimes Tribunal instead of in a court of his own people, whom he betrayed.

From the beginning of the war in Bosnia, the American people were not privy to many stories that would have given some balance to the conflict. In civil wars, all sides do terrible things; but in this war, the mainstream media misled the American people so as to present a favorable side for the Bosnian Muslims, while failing to report the meddling and bungling of U.S. foreign policy during the Clinton administration.

I remember the horrific pictures repeatedly shown on CNN of the two Muslim babies on a bus that had been "killed by a Serb sniper." I would never have known the truth had I not been watching France 2 TV where it showed the funeral of these innocent babies. Officiating at the funeral was a Serbian Orthodox priest. These were not Muslim babies killed by a Serb sniper, but Serbian babies killed by a Muslim sniper. However, for American consumption CNN had cropped the Serbian Orthodox priest from the video so that the American people would continue to believe that the Serbs were guilty.

If the "trusted" CNN lied about that, what else have they lied about?

The media lied about the supposed Trepca Mine atrocity, claiming Serbs had murdered 750 Kosovo Albanians, cut the bodies into little pieces and thrown them into the mine -- and the American people believed. It was Daniel Pearl, later murdered by al-Qaeda terrorists, who exposed the story as a hoax on the front page of The Wall Street Journal on Dec. 31, 1999.

The media also lied about the Markale market place massacre in Sarajevo, a massacre that was self-inflicted by Bosnian Muslim forces and for which NATO bombed the Serbian people. Yossef Bodansky, director of a congressional task force on terrorism, wrote in his book, Offensive in the Balkans, that the explosion at Sarajevo's main market place was a "special charge designed and built with help from Hizbullah experts," and that "This callous self-killing was designed to shock the West, especially sentimental and guillible Washington, to raise the level of Western sympathy for the Bosnian Muslims and further demonize the Serbs so that Western governments would be more supportive of Sarajevo's forcoming aggressive moves, and perhaps even finally intevene militarily."

ALL THE SUFFERING, bloodshed and death in Bosnia might have been averted had it not been for the meddling of our State Department. In The Lisbon Agreement of 1992, all three Bosnian leaders representing the Croats, Muslims and Serbs, endorsed the proposal that the republic be a confereration divided into three ethnic regions. The plan was scuttled when our American ambassador to Yugoslavia advised Alija Izetbegovic, representing the Muslim party of Bosnia, that "if he didn't like it, why sign it?" This doomed an agreement that even the same ambassador later said "wasn't so bad after all."

I leave you with the following quote: "This organized anti-Serb and pro-Muslim propaganda should cause anyone believing in democracy and free press serious concerns. It recalls Hitler's propaganda against the allies in World War II. Facts are twisted and, when convenient, disregarded." -- Yohanan Ramati, director of the Jerusalem Institute for Western Defense.


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1 posted on 03/20/2006 4:21:00 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; ...

I leave you with the following quote: "This organized anti-Serb and pro-Muslim propaganda should cause anyone believing in democracy and free press serious concerns. It recalls Hitler's propaganda against the allies in World War II. Facts are twisted and, when convenient, disregarded." -- Yohanan Ramati, director of the Jerusalem Institute for Western Defense.





Yes, and that is true.Problem brigs that nothing much has changed on the west.


2 posted on 03/20/2006 4:28:41 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: Doctor13
In civil wars, all sides do terrible things; but in this war, the mainstream media misled the American people so as to present a favorable side for the Bosnian Muslims, while failing to report the meddling and bungling of U.S. foreign policy during the Clinton administration.

I have never understood why Clinton acted as he did in Bosnia, favoring the drug running, murdering Muslims.

The American MSM are whores for the democrats. They care not who is hurt by their lies and half truths, just that what they report makes Democrats look good to the American voter. Why this is so is beyond my comprehension.

3 posted on 03/20/2006 4:32:10 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: Doctor13

Clintoon lied and people died.


4 posted on 03/20/2006 4:32:45 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Dustbunny

And no, I am not Bosnian but of Ukrainian Jew decent.


5 posted on 03/20/2006 4:33:46 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: Dustbunny; Congressman Billybob; Howlin; neverdem; patton
You must look at the TIMING of the Muslim = good, Bosnia = evil + wicked attacks in the American/democrat/liberal/Clinton-loving media.

Impeachment was basically over in mid-January, Juanita's story was just coming out, and just being covered up as well through the end of the month.

Clinton called a three-day, closed-door, strategy-and-tactics meeting with the NATIONAL MSM press in Washington. Days later, as soon as the doors opened and the MSM national press had their marching orders, they began publicizing/exaggerating/propagandizing the Bosnia civil war: from the point you see now: Bosnia (evil German-supporting white Catholics) against Muslim (nice, Arab, innocent victims of greatly exaggerated attacks.)

After four weeks of propaganda every night, every morning, and every broadcast, Hillary had the "nice little war" of protecting the innocents, complete with victims in cattle cars being evacuated and unsubstantiated accounts of a 100,000 Muslims killed.

Which never happened either!

6 posted on 03/20/2006 4:41:43 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Doctor13

If the "trusted" CNN lied about that, what else have they lied about?

Everything.


7 posted on 03/20/2006 4:45:51 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Doctor13

I always did think we were on the wrong side in the "Clinton little war"


8 posted on 03/20/2006 4:47:07 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
wag the dog..a made up war..with US helping terrorists Muslims. what a victory for clinton..his days in power took duplicity to new lows and the press lost it's good will and began the downhill tract they still are on.
9 posted on 03/20/2006 5:03:09 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Yep, so he destroyed a Christian country, more or less, just to save the appearance of his perverted, useless piece of crap presidency and turned it over to murdering, drug growing and selling Muslims.

They can all thank Clinton, Soros and the rest of the Demorat party.

10 posted on 03/20/2006 5:03:56 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: righthand man
I read, (I will have to look up the articles again) that Germany was also to blame, they had massive oil and other economic interests in the Balkans, and it is public knowledge that they lead the push for war. Of course their military is a joke. So they helped spread the lies, with their willing accomplice Clinton who had his own reasons, none good, and the MSM. No blood for oil? Even though we fought their unjust war for them, they then promptly stab us in the back, using the most ironic claim of oil. Bring our troops home, withdraw from Germany. Why should we be supporting them?
11 posted on 03/20/2006 5:06:15 AM PST by gafusa
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To: righthand man

Some day someone is going to write a history of the Clinton Administration move in March 1993 to arm the Balkan Muslims. This was done through the CIA and despite a UN embargo. Its consequence, inter alia, was the failure of the Vance-Waldegrave peace initiative, and the subsequent creation of a Muslim state in Europe.


12 posted on 03/20/2006 5:06:15 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Dustbunny
I have never understood why Clinton acted as he did in Bosnia, favoring the drug running, murdering Muslims.

clinton saw what an Arab (Muslim) oil boycott did to Jimmy Carter. clinton did not want that happening to him.

It also gave him an "evil" enemy to oppose. Cyrillic alphabet = Russia lite. An enemy that was no threat to us.

And the pro Germany elements in his government were always there to push an anti-Serb agenda. Those pesky Serbs, always in the way of the Berlin-Baghdad axis.

13 posted on 03/20/2006 5:10:23 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Dustbunny
"I have never understood why Clinton acted as he did in Bosnia, favoring the drug running, murdering Muslims."


I too have never figured out why Europe sat on their hands, even before Clintons deceived and seduced a nation to become the leaders of the free world.

I remember finding out that his Monica was making him feel good while he was on the phone with a Congressman promoting his war.

Oh and yesterday every news station I turned to local and cable were marking the 3rd anniversary of Iraq, and NOT one mention of Clintons one year war.
14 posted on 03/20/2006 5:14:20 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dustbunny

Good points......amazing how Slick made up his 'little war' to divert national attention from his personal life debacles to 'mass murder' by the Serbs. Of course, his administration was so clueless as to what was really going on because the US had virtually no intel on the ground due directly to his own budget cuts.The saddest thing about it all, the MSM and the Libs still worship this guy for some reason consistently disregarding any facts as to the contrary as to Slick's underhanded anti-US, anti-Christian behavior.


15 posted on 03/20/2006 5:14:50 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Doctor13
It recalls Hitler's propaganda against the allies in World War II.

Or the British and allied propaganda that brought us into the WWI debacle.
16 posted on 03/20/2006 5:20:01 AM PST by gafusa
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To: RSmithOpt
The saddest thing about it all, the MSM and the Libs still worship this guy for some reason consistently disregarding any facts as to the contrary as to Slick's underhanded anti-US, anti-Christian behavior.

Yep and what really scares me is the possibility for the dems to regain control of the Congress and/or Hitlery or some other Clinton/Carter clone might win the presidency.

17 posted on 03/20/2006 5:26:27 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: Doctor13

And the Force behind anti-Serbism is the Vatican, with centuries of Eastern Orthodox hate and warfare behind it culminating in the gory genocidal atrocities visited on the Serbs by Croats and Catholic priests during WWII.

The media has indeed been lopsided here.


18 posted on 03/20/2006 5:29:13 AM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Mia T; Fred Nerks; Proctor

A real picture of the clinton's.I wish the freeper who used to have the graphic video's shown to the Beatles tune" Just Another Day" would re-release the video! Like the truth that so many times shows up on the net, it too seems to have been sanitized right off the screens available to America.


19 posted on 03/20/2006 5:34:30 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Doctor13

Another part of Clinton's glorious legacy.


20 posted on 03/20/2006 5:39:37 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Dustbunny

Wasn't it at about this time Hillary was quoted in, IIRC, Talk Magazine urging Bill to commence bombing after not talking to him for months following the Monica scandal.


21 posted on 03/20/2006 5:40:13 AM PST by monocle
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To: Dustbunny

They let this guy slide and now they want to impeach President Bush. I believe what the liberals really want is a Civil War in this country.


22 posted on 03/20/2006 5:47:50 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Dustbunny; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; ...

And it shouldn't be long before our pro-Muhammedan group of posters here on Free Republic show up to inform you that no mere mortal is permitted to question Bill Clinton's activities in the Balkans. They'll be armed with lots of links to sites sponsored by George Soros!


23 posted on 03/20/2006 5:48:03 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: monocle
Wasn't it at about this time Hillary was quoted in, IIRC, Talk Magazine urging Bill to commence bombing after not talking to him for months following the Monica scandal.

That is a possibility.

Anyone know for certain?

24 posted on 03/20/2006 5:48:25 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: sgtbono2002
They let this guy slide and now they want to impeach President Bush. I believe what the liberals really want is a Civil War in this country.

They have been playing one side against the other for years, Blacks against Whites. Guess now they will throw in the Hispanics and Muslims to really get it going.

25 posted on 03/20/2006 5:51:14 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: Doctor13
ALL THE SUFFERING, bloodshed and death in Bosnia might have been averted had it not been for the meddling of our State Department. In The Lisbon Agreement of 1992, all three Bosnian leaders representing the Croats, Muslims and Serbs, endorsed the proposal that the republic be a confereration divided into three ethnic regions. The plan was scuttled when our American ambassador to Yugoslavia advised Alija Izetbegovic, representing the Muslim party of Bosnia, that "if he didn't like it, why sign it?" This doomed an agreement that even the same ambassador later said "wasn't so bad after all."

A thing to remember. Also the Serbian Krajina did not have to be destroyed and Kosovo did not have to be purged of Serbs and Gypsies.

26 posted on 03/20/2006 5:51:18 AM PST by A. Pole (Carly Fiorina: "Technology will 'disappear' in 25 years")
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To: FormerLib
And it shouldn't be long before our pro-Muhammedan group of posters here on Free Republic show up to inform you that no mere mortal is permitted to question Bill Clinton's activities in the Balkans. They'll be armed with lots of links to sites sponsored by George Soros!

Yes, I am sure they will be but for it to work I would have to fall for their lies which I won't. Never fell for any of Clinton's BS and Carter's BS is what made me change parties.

27 posted on 03/20/2006 5:54:55 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: Dustbunny; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
They can all thank Clinton, Soros and the rest of the Demorat party.

Republicans like Bob Dole were demanding attacks on Serbs and accusing Clinton of Chamberlain style appeasement.

National Review was so viciously braying for the Serbian blood that I had to cancel the subscription.

Here comes the article from that time:

(C) BOSTON GLOBE
29 APRIL 1993
BEFORE WE JOIN A WAR, SOME QUESTIONS
by H.D.S. Greenway

In the last few weeks, the Bosnian town of Srebrenica has become another Guernica in the eyes of the West, and the Clinton administration is being drawn inexorably toward military intervention in the Balkan civil war.

Secretary of State Warren Christopher has laid out what he calls the "severe tests" of an interventionist policy: It must be clearly stated, there should be a strong likelihood of success, there must be an "exit strategy," and it must win sustained public support in this country. None of those conditions has been met.

But a public mood is rising. Television has zeroed in on Bosnia while other civil wars and ethnic cleansings go relatively unreported. Respected opinion makers from both left and right have been beating the intervention drum, taunting Clinton, calling his caution a weakness and making shallow, ill-considered comparisons with Hitler-appeasing Neville Chamberlain.

Before the United States commits itself to war, however, there are three questions that the administration needs to answer if intervention is to meet Christopher's "severe tests."

First, who will be our enemies? Second, what are our war aims? Third, what will we do if limited intervention fails to achieve our aims?

Bosnian Serbs are not allowed to link up their territories in what would become a "Greater Serbia," but the Croats in their part of Bosnia-Herzegovina fly the Croatian flag, use Croatian money and have linked up with Croatia. If we will go to war against Serbian aggrandizement in Bosnia, will we also bomb Croats to prevent Greater Croatia?

Will our war aim be "stopping the genocide now," as Sen. Joseph Biden has said? If so, whose genocide? Only last week in Central Bosnia, Muslims and Croats were at each other's throats and, according to the United Nations, summary executions, massacres and ethnic cleansings were committed by both Muslim and Croat factions.

And while world attention was on Serbs shelling Srebrenica, the BBC reported on the mass graves the Serbs were finding just a few miles away in which lay the corpses of Serbs who had been decapitated, mutilated and tortured by Muslims during the Muslims' Christmas offensive.

Simplistic analysts have put all the blame for the Bosnian civil war on the Serbs and their leader, Slobodan Milosevic, the former Communist turned ultra-nationalist who has played the ethnic card to fan the flames of hatred. That Croatia's leader, Franjo Tudjman, has done much the same thing goes largely ignored. The real cause of the war, however, was as UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali described it in an interview last summer. "You have three ethnic groups, and they have not taken into account the point of view of one of the three, which was the Serbs."

Croats and Muslims were granted rights of self-determination that the large Serb minorities living outside the province of Serbia were denied. Serbs had historical reasons to fear Croatian and Muslim domination, and Milosevic was able to take advantage of those fears.

True, the Serbs are responsible for the most atrocities, but if we intervene to tip the military balance against Serbs, will we be pre- pared to make war on Muslims and Croats if they turn on Serb civilians to enlarge their own territories?

This is not a cut-and-dried matter of forcing an invader out of another country. This is an entangled, tripartite civil war with 500 years of hatred. If putting back together the Humpty Dumpty of Bosnian unity --never more than an illusion-- is our aim, we'd better think in terms of a 100-year "exit strategy."

Lastly, what if a limited intervention fails to end the fighting and accelerates it instead? Unfortunately for Clinton, he will have to live with the results of intervention while pundits promoting war today will be the first to denounce him should things go wrong tomorrow.

28 posted on 03/20/2006 6:01:35 AM PST by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: Issaquahking

Look, I'm a Beatles freak, but I've never heard of this song. What album is it on?


29 posted on 03/20/2006 6:06:10 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: A. Pole

I never had much use for Republicans like Bob Dole just as I have no use for McCain and a few other Republicans.


30 posted on 03/20/2006 6:07:49 AM PST by Dustbunny (Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers)
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To: Dustbunny
I never had much use for Republicans like Bob Dole just as I have no use for McCain and a few other Republicans.

And National Review? And others?

Face it - the war against Serbs was bipartisan.

31 posted on 03/20/2006 6:09:49 AM PST by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: Doctor13

Thanks for the article.

Ping for later.


32 posted on 03/20/2006 6:18:58 AM PST by paudio
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To: Mi-kha-el
Minor slip on the keyboard.Proper title is "Another day". Lyrics can be found here. I could care less about the song, it was the power of the message between the war torn torn country and bodies, meanwhile, to bill clintoon it's just another day (instrumental song in the background).

Not saying your new here, but it was on when clinton was up to his BS. That was when FR used to be a lot more like the wild west in regard to happenings here.


Sigh* I miss a lot of my radical right friends that went down in bans in flame wars.
33 posted on 03/20/2006 6:34:37 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking

Oh, it's McCartney, not the Beatles. Oof. Thanks. I was new in the States then and didn't follow the politics so much. However, after 911 you can't help but see what a mess Clinton tenure was and how many years it will take to clean up that mess.


34 posted on 03/20/2006 6:56:16 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: sgtbono2002
"I believe what the liberals really want is a Civil War in this country."

In a sense, you're dead on, but I think it's more of a hellbent dream an Utopian oligarchy run by an elitist group of secular, agnostic, or atheist, self appointed tax-moochers that always 'know best' for what's the best for the rest of us in the US and the world with no offers of tolerance and compromise other than 'their way'.

35 posted on 03/20/2006 7:17:19 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Dustbunny
A moral imperative to kill Launching the bombing of Serbia was a family affair in the Clinton White House. Hillary Clinton revealed to an interviewer in the summer of 1999, I urged him to bomb. You cannot let this go on at the end of a century that has seen the major holocaust of our time. What do we have NATO for if not to defend our way of life?

Source:http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0307d.asp

This is as close as I could find.

36 posted on 03/20/2006 7:27:52 AM PST by monocle
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To: monocle; neverdem; Howlin; Congressman Billybob
Yet specifically, she (Clinton) DEMANDED that Bill force NATO to attack Bosnia BECAUSE the UN could not justify their war, justify an invasion/random air campaign/killing more Bosnians and Serbs, and because the UN did NOT have the votes for a resolution authorizing their invasion.

(Yet Bush had ALL of that going into Iraq!)

On the other hand, NATO WAS then forced into a position of being an aggressor state invading a Croat/Serbian/Russian/Slav state.

Thereby PROVING that years of Soviet propaganda and lies about NATO's aggression were true! Yet this fight was NOT in NATO's charter (defense AGAINST the Soviets in WESTERN Europe!) and were NOT in NATO sphere of influence!
37 posted on 03/20/2006 7:41:29 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: gaspar
"Some day someone is going to write a history of the Clinton Administration move in March 1993 to arm the Balkan Muslims."

It was. Go to: Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base

This is a January 16, 1997 report for the Senate Republican Policy Committe.

It's all there.

Obviously, no one read Clinton's treachery regarding his arming the Muslim Bosnians against the Christian Serbs.

A Must Read!

38 posted on 03/20/2006 7:45:14 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: A. Pole
Face it - the war against Serbs was bipartisan.

The voting record concerning the bombing of Serbia is no longer available on the House website, but it showed that the Democrats supported it almost unanimously while only a few Republicans supported it.

This isn't to deny that some Republicans supported this ill-conceived foreign relations disaster, but there were more against it than there were for it.

39 posted on 03/20/2006 7:51:48 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Doctor13
Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base.

Odd, but the previous link worked for me, but let's try this one.

40 posted on 03/20/2006 7:52:13 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: FormerLib
Bill Clinton, in violation of International law, NATO Charter and without the approval of the US Congress, the Clinton-led NATO bombed little Yugoslavia that did not have weapons of mass destruction, never attacked us nor were they ever a threat to us.

Yet the same people who are against the Iraq war, were right behind this wag-the-dog president in the destruction of a sovereign nation fighting for its survival against the Muslim insurgents into the country.

It was Susan Sarandon who said, "What have the Iraqi people ever done to us?" but never said, "What have the Serbian people ever done to us?"

There are 900 million NATO members, yet we bombed little tiny Yugoslavia with only 10 million people, and we thumped our chest like an 800 pound gorilla.

It would have requied only one vote "no" to stop the bombing, yet there was not one country with the guts to do it - perhaps they were afraid that the same thing would happen to them if they did?

41 posted on 03/20/2006 8:01:04 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Dustbunny

I have never understood why Clinton acted as he did in Bosnia, favoring the drug running, murdering Muslims.

 

I think you may have answered your own question.

42 posted on 03/20/2006 8:02:46 AM PST by Fintan (Hey, you can't make this stuff up.)
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To: Doctor13
ALL THE SUFFERING, bloodshed and death in Bosnia might have been averted had it not been for the meddling of our State Department. In The Lisbon Agreement of 1992, all three Bosnian leaders representing the Croats, Muslims and Serbs, endorsed the proposal that the republic be a confereration divided into three ethnic regions. The plan was scuttled when our American ambassador to Yugoslavia advised Alija Izetbegovic, representing the Muslim party of Bosnia, that "if he didn't like it, why sign it?" This doomed an agreement that even the same ambassador later said "wasn't so bad after all.""

This needs to be repeated over and over and over until the thick headed baboons in the State Department understand it.

43 posted on 03/20/2006 8:06:30 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Doctor13
There are 900 million NATO members, yet we bombed little tiny Yugoslavia with only 10 million people, and we thumped our chest like an 800 pound gorilla.

And this was the first NATO operation in history. I guess after the collapse of Soviet Union someone had to be beaten into the pulp instead.

44 posted on 03/20/2006 8:20:41 AM PST by A. Pole (Wimpy: "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.")
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To: Doctor13
Don't put all the blame on Clinton for this mess. There were plenty of propagandists around including Bob Dole who helped push the administration into arming the Mussies in Bosnia.

Follow the money.

45 posted on 03/20/2006 8:32:33 AM PST by Ditto
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To: FormerLib

The decision to enter WWI was bipartisan. In both cases our allies and the MSM lied to us, and pushed us unknowingly into a pointless war, our involvement engineered by a liberal president and media. The Republicans who supported it, like Bob Dole, did not know the truth. These atrocities, like the Belgium atrocities were compelling, if you did not know they were fabricated. Many Republicans who supported now realize their mistake since the truth came out.


46 posted on 03/20/2006 8:37:23 AM PST by gafusa
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To: Ditto

Yes, Dole an Lieberman where pining for the KLA.


47 posted on 03/20/2006 9:41:15 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: RSmithOpt; Fred Nerks

"Slick made up his 'little war' to divert national attention from his personal life debacles to 'mass murder' by the Serbs."

******* Although one of the reasons, not the main reason. Others say that it was to get the Juanita Broderick rape story off of the frontpages of U.S. and world newspapers and he was lambasted by NPR's Frontline for doing nothing about the Rwandan genocide, so, he felt he couldn't allow something similar to happen on his "watch".

Either way, we would of went to the Balkans even if Clinton was never caught with the cigar or messing with the "Pages"...this was just a convenient time. The Balkan intrusion was planned as a strategy following the break up of the Soviet Union. So, the Serbs had to be demonized, so, the U.S. Administration at that time also brought Mujhadeen from Afghanistan to stir up trouble in Bosnia, Croatia to draw the Serbs into the fight. They just went a little overboard giving justification for us to enter the Balkans and thus you know the rest of the story.

He also desperately needed a healthy economy to keep his poll approval numbers up, that meant siding with the Muslims so that the Saudis and other ME oil-producers would continue to deliver cheap oil.

It is signficant to mention that Milosevic was in the process of getting into the banking business in the 80's. He came to New York to learn the business. While in NY the CIA approached him, and saw an opportunity to get control of the Balkans. They turned him from Banking and trained him in politics. He returned to Serbia, and instead of being friendly to the U.S. he was approached by the Serbian intelligentsia and thus became a nationalist.

So, beginning in the early 90's became the period of demonizing the Serbs......and they followed up very well as evidenced by the way they handled the U.S. insurgents.....It's a very complicated situation. Kosovo is a very good example of the hoax we designed during Clinton's period.

Liberals still stand by him.....the Albanians see him as their hero, no kidding....ie. "Bill Clinton Blvd". I was there for five years and they (Albanians) couldn't understand why I was so.....Anti-Clinton.


Tom


48 posted on 03/20/2006 9:42:16 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Doctor13; kronos77; Dustbunny; Labyrinthos; All
The very tiniest amount of investigation or the slightest interest in what propaganda is and why it works would have (and for some did) expose the ex-Yugoslavia situation for what it was.

Why the "public" falls for what is really very insultingly stupid and obvious propaganda is well understood. Goebbels explained it thoroughly.

Want to see into the Liberal MSM heart? Easy as fishing. An illustration from Josef Goebbels, again:

Goebbels said: "Propaganda? Certainly! Good propaganda for a good cause! We make propaganda not in the pay of forces or men in the background, but rather we make propaganda for our own honest convictions. We advertise for our own ideal, and therefore we fight using all good means to make good propaganda to win the soul of our people."

Goebbels spoke from the heart. He was being totally honest.

You see, the MSM people really and truly believe in Socialism and believe in Socialism in just the same way that Josef Goebbels did.

Oh, yeah, they are making exactly the same sort of propaganda campaign about Iraq as they did about Serbia. The President is Hellspawn, evil in every and all ways, evil to the core, and lies worse than the Devil. Iraq is bad, evil, useless, destructive, etc. Their program is working just as they intended.

People are idiots.
49 posted on 03/20/2006 9:50:32 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Dustbunny
I heard Michael Medved on his radio show say about the same thing as this article. The Serbs were demonized by the media while the Muslims were given a free pass on their atrocities.

Of course there probably were many brutal acts by both sides, but having seen Muslim actions in the last few years it is somewhat understandable.

50 posted on 03/20/2006 9:50:58 AM PST by yarddog
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