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The fact that we have had no further attacks in the U.S. since 9/11 makes me believe someone is doing something right!
1 posted on 12/28/2005 1:50:31 PM PST by mlc9852
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If it failed to make a dent, why complain about it? ;-)


2 posted on 12/28/2005 1:51:14 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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well with all the "leaks" from the democRATS and the new your slime paper... no wonder they use camels now..


3 posted on 12/28/2005 1:52:46 PM PST by dubie
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Messengers can be followed and captured.


6 posted on 12/28/2005 1:53:46 PM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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""They have been way ahead of us in communications security," a law enforcement source said."

"A law enforcement source"? Considering that could be anything from a meter maid to a dog catcher, I'm not sure how useful this article is.

On second thought, yes I do know how useful this article is....its not.

7 posted on 12/28/2005 1:54:04 PM PST by Rokke
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Author Ronald Kesler, who has written books about GW Bush and about the CIA, stated on Fox last week that wiretaps led to the apprehension of someone plotting to blow up one of the tunnels leading to Manhattan.

Also, I'd like to have someone step forward who has been unnecessarily "victimized" by wiretaps.

8 posted on 12/28/2005 1:54:48 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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U.S. law enforcement sources said ...

There you go. Sounds like the final word on the matter. I don't know about you, but I'll believe anonymous sources from somewhere inside "U.S. law enforcement" talking to a Moonie mouthpiece before the duly elected President of the United States anytime.

9 posted on 12/28/2005 1:55:43 PM PST by trad_anglican
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This is ACLU propaganda aimed at tearing down the Patriot Act.


12 posted on 12/28/2005 1:58:17 PM PST by La Enchiladita ("We never lose! We're the United States of America!!" Rush, 12/26/05)
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Most MSM think is a single solution. Fix this as yet to be defined thing and peace will flood the planet. The world doesn't work that way. There are more holes in security that in a screen door. They need to be pluged one at a time if necessary. It will take time.


13 posted on 12/28/2005 1:58:26 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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The Bush administration's surveillance policy has failed to make a dent in the war against al Qaeda.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I can't step outside the house without a VBIED going off.

U.S. law enforcement sources said that more than four years of surveillance by the National Security Agency has failed to capture any high-level al Qaeda operative in the United States.

Since when do high level Al Qaida guys move to the country they're going to attack? For that matter, since when do they take part in attacks? It's the mid to low level guys we're after, because they're the ones that actually engage in terrorist acts. The high level guys are hiding out in caves, not in Brooklyn.

They said al Qaeda insurgents have long stopped using the phones and even computers to relay messages. Instead, they employ couriers.

So, we can communicate at will, whereas our enemies have to coordinate complicated attacks the same way that cavemen would? On foot?

Anyone else noting a theme here? If we're not winning, would anyone like to trade with Al Qaida? They can have our modern telecommunications, email, and indoor pluming, and we'll move into a cavern in the Himalayas and start writing letters by candlelight. Then we'll be winning!!

16 posted on 12/28/2005 2:01:23 PM PST by Steel Wolf (If the Founders had wanted the President to be spying on our phone calls, they would have said so!)
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OK so all this BS about spying hasn't worked the way the MSM thought it would as people are not, to the libs dismay, "outraged" so lets just change tactics in mid-stream, again, and just say the program doesn't work. I can't wait to see what next weeks strategy is going to be.


17 posted on 12/28/2005 2:03:09 PM PST by sydbas
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Reports are that when they seized Abu Zubaydah, they were able to trace 300 phone numbers from his computer and cell phone into the United States.

The MSM is trying to make it sound like Bush is just intruding on people's rights for no reason.


18 posted on 12/28/2005 2:03:17 PM PST by putupjob
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If these "law enforcement sources" have classified information and are discussing it with anyone then they too should be hung for treason regardless how effective they think the program is. I've contacted the AG's office and has requested these leaker's be found and prosecuted.
21 posted on 12/28/2005 2:11:43 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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... a law enforcement source said ...

Yea. Right. I believe it. Is this the NYSlimes?

22 posted on 12/28/2005 2:11:46 PM PST by manwiththehands (My Christmas wish: I wish Republicans were running the country.)
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The title contradicts istelf. Messengers are a lot slower han cell phones.


23 posted on 12/28/2005 2:12:43 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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The Bush administration's surveillance policy has failed to make a dent in the war against al Qaeda.

What is this from? The Idiot News Service?

Let's start with the obvious: There has been no major terrorist act since 911. I would call that way beyond a dent.

Now let's look at the less obvious; this requires a tiny bit of brainpower: If you prevent something from happening, how do you "prove" that it is a result of your preventive measures?

One needs to be certifiable nuts to argue that since the terrorists "tell" us that they are using couriers, that phone surveillance is no longer necessary.
I don't care what anyone tells me, the main means of communicating worldwide today is telephone, cell phone and internet. Period.

24 posted on 12/28/2005 2:17:14 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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"They have been way ahead of us in communications security," a law enforcement source said. "At most, we have caught some riff-raff. But the heavies remain free and we believe some of them are in the United States."

Maybe we have caught some heavies but we have not told certain people. Notice that there have not been any incidents within the U.S. recently ?

Just because it has not been leaked to the press does not mean it didn't happen.

25 posted on 12/28/2005 2:18:01 PM PST by oldbrowser (Release the Barrett Report)
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This may be one of the dumbest articles I've ever read. No sources named and the same-o bunch of liberal hoo-ha. No wonder the author didn't sign his name.


26 posted on 12/28/2005 2:22:04 PM PST by demkicker
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a law enforcement source said

This article reads like a parody of today's insipid, fact-free, agenda-driven excuse for journalism.

Maybe the author's a subtle comedic genius.

29 posted on 12/28/2005 2:42:47 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Talk about riff-raff.


30 posted on 12/28/2005 2:44:10 PM PST by jos65
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Wire taps have forced al Qaeda to use messengers and as a result has dramatically reduced their operational efficiency.
31 posted on 12/28/2005 2:48:45 PM PST by Natural Law
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