[Kansas Gov. Kathleen] Sebelius criticizes State Board of Education's move [new science standards]

Kansas City Star via Kansas.com ^ | 12 November 2005 | DAVID KLEPPER

[PatrickHenry]

Attention Karl Rove: If you want to keep winning elections, wake up and understand that Creationism-ID is a dead loser. Dump ID before it's too late.

[PatrickHenry]

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[js1138]

What the heck am I doing up at this hour?

Anyway, I hadn't thought of this angle. Corporate recruiters are going to start hearing about this from potential employees.

[Iwentsouth]

If you have to tell someone to drop ID then it is already too late.

[Just mythoughts]

Oh please, fear mongering again, as if there ever was a doubt that evolutionists could care less who is in power, they will serve whom ever FUNDS their ideology.

[GarySpFc]

This is wonderful news for Intelligent Design. Sebelius is 10 steps to the left of Hillary, and will likely be her running mate.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Oh please, fear mongering again, as if there ever was a doubt that evolutionists could care less who is in power, they will serve whom ever FUNDS their ideology."

Or else we are actually logically consistent and support people when they support our views, regardless of party. And you keep talking about all these funds; when am I going to get my share??? :)

[Just mythoughts]

"Or else we are actually logically consistent and support people when they support our views, regardless of party. And you keep talking about all these funds; when am I going to get my share??? :)"


Support = funds, and without funding via public education, which is what this whole fear mongering is really about, could cause an extinction of a whole lot of careers. Another special interest squealing about their source of funding.

[LS]

I agree. If the hysterical shrieking on this board is any indication, Dawinism is weaker than even I thought.

[Hacksaw]

Oh please, fear mongering again, as if there ever was a doubt that evolutionists could care less who is in power, they will serve whom ever FUNDS their ideology.

Come to think of it, they were just cheering the election of Democrats in Dover Pa a few days ago. Makes one wonder why they are on a conservative forum in the first place.

[Non-Sequitur]

"There are holes in evolution," he said. "Any good scientist will admit to that."

Nothing like the gaping chasms in Intelligent Design.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Support = funds, and without funding via public education, which is what this whole fear mongering is really about, could cause an extinction of a whole lot of careers."

Talk about fear mongering and paranoia.

"Another special interest squealing about their source of funding."

The biology teachers get the exact same salary if they teach ID or evolution. These aren't research centers, there's no extra funds for evolutionists over any other science. What we do have though are some religious people wanting to use taxpayer money to support their religion (ID/creationism).

[Non-Sequitur]

Makes one wonder why they are on a conservative forum in the first place.

Because we're conservatives, not idiots.

[Non-Sequitur]

Oh please, fear mongering again, as if there ever was a doubt that evolutionists could care less who is in power, they will serve whom ever FUNDS their ideology.

So in other words you would support Hillary Clinton if she came out for Intelligent Design?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Come to think of it, they were just cheering the election of Democrats in Dover Pa a few days ago. Makes one wonder why they are on a conservative forum in the first place."

Actually, we were decrying the loss of those seats to Democrats. This is what happens when conservatives abandon science and reason and embrace irrationality, they get booted from office. Creationism (and it's ugly stepchild ID) makes Republicans look foolish. And rightly so. Hopefully the national Republican Party will take some notes and learn a lesson from Dover.

[curiosity]

This is what happens when conservatives abandon science and reason and embrace irrationality, they get booted from office.

It's also what happens when a church embraces irrationality: people lose their faith.

That's one of the biggest reasons why, I as a Christian, want to see ID defeated.

[PatrickHenry]

If the creationists knew how to read and think, they would understand what we're saying here. But then, if they could do those things ... well, they wouldn't be creationists, would they?

To make my position clear -- although any creationist can and probably will, deny, spin, and ignore what I'm saying -- ID-creationism is electoral death to the conservative movement. If conservatism embraces this lunacy, then it will go down the drain, like the bozo school board in Dover. But I want conservatism to prevail. Which is why I want the republican party, at the top, to make the conscious decision to abandon the madness of creationism-ID.

For this limited purpose [quote miners will drop that opening phrase], I welcome the electoral situation in Dover [quote miners will end the sentence here], because it's in an out-of-the-way place involving only a local school board, so the loss is relatively harmless, but the lesson to be learned is vital. I hope the Republican party not only learns the lesson, but that we start applying the lesson immediately. If not, conservatism is going to be swept aside, like the idiotic school board in Dover.

[Just mythoughts]

"The biology teachers get the exact same salary if they teach ID or evolution. These aren't research centers, there's no extra funds for evolutionists over any other science. What we do have though are some religious people wanting to use taxpayer money to support their religion (ID/creationism)."


Oh those biology teachers are required by LAW to tell little children they are result of "common descent" mere animals. That is a "religious" ideology as there is NO evidence to show cause.

[Just mythoughts]

"So in other words you would support Hillary Clinton if she came out for Intelligent Design?"


Talk about a "NON-Sequitur"!!!! It would not surprise me one bit Hillry claiming an Intelligent Design existed, she was after all preening about "Jesus" and illegal immigration some months back. I think the method used by liberals falls under "whatever it takes", play both sides to save themselves.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Oh those biology teachers are required by LAW to tell little children they are result of "common descent" mere animals."

Common descent is a fact. Teachers are also required to tell little children that in 1776 the Declaration of Independence was signed, and that matter is made of molecules, and that PI is about 3.14, not 3. They are required to teach facts. Why should they lie to little children and tell them that evolution is not supported by the evidence?

"That is a "religious" ideology as there is NO evidence to show cause."

Actually, it is your religious ideology that makes you close your eyes to the physical creation. You have been provided the evidence yet you refuse to see. There is no reason we must push your ideologically induced blindness on our children.