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Fitzgerald meets with Judge
CNN

Posted on 10/26/2005 1:26:40 PM PDT by ianschwartz



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KEYWORDS: 1firstkeyword; beltwaywarzone; cialeak; fitzgerald; karlrove; leak; plame; plamegate; rove; spyversusspy; valerieplame; wilson
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1 posted on 10/26/2005 1:26:41 PM PDT by ianschwartz
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To: ianschwartz

original investigation complete - nada there. Now, after FBI spoke with neighbors of Wilson's last night, Fitzy needs more time to start the real prosecution of Joe & Val's big lie to congress & the GJ.


2 posted on 10/26/2005 1:28:37 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Steven W.

Your mouth to Gods ears.


3 posted on 10/26/2005 1:29:34 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: ianschwartz

IIRC Fitzgerald still reports to the AG and must seek approval of any indictments from him.


4 posted on 10/26/2005 1:30:35 PM PDT by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008)
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To: Steven W.
original investigation complete - nada there.

Likely...but also extremely likely Fitz will indict any and every member of the administration he can, "irregardlessly".

It's the old "some sh*t sticks to the wall" scenario, and the 'Rats need ammunition for the 2006 election cycle.

5 posted on 10/26/2005 1:31:02 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Like a midget at a urinal - stay on your toes...)
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To: ianschwartz
After that he met with bagel maker.
6 posted on 10/26/2005 1:31:18 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: ianschwartz
DUmmies have a similar thread - but with DUmmy brains working the spin:

Fitz met with judge for 45 minutes -- CNN reports

7 posted on 10/26/2005 1:31:24 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: Steven W.; All

"... after FBI spoke with neighbors of Wilson's last night, Fitzy needs more time to start the real prosecution of Joe & Val's big lie to congress & the GJ."


This is an interesting take!

But .. if Joe and Val never testified before the GJ, can Fitz really go after them for lying to Congress ..?? Doesn't that have to be a contempt of Congress citation or something. The law in this case if very confusing.


8 posted on 10/26/2005 1:32:26 PM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: ianschwartz

Fitzgerald has a cheesesteak hoagie for lunch!


9 posted on 10/26/2005 1:33:57 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Steven W.

OK, here's my conspiracy theory.

Yesterday, in Italy, Rocco Martino (sp) admitted to Italian authorities that he was on the payroll of France.

It had been reported that Fitz had been in Italy within the past 2-3 weeks re: the forged Niger docs.

Wilson's second wife has been described as French and a "cultural attache" at the French embassy.

It has been reported that Wilson knew about the Niger docs being forged before it was in the public domain????????

The theory of rogue CIA in cahoots with Plame/Wilson and others seems to make a lot of sense now.

Fitz' meeting with Hogan is for an expansion of the investigation.

Heck, my wife always told me I should write a spy thriller!


10 posted on 10/26/2005 1:34:33 PM PDT by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: Rummyfan
Fitzgerald has a cheesesteak hoagie for lunch!

That sounds good right now.

11 posted on 10/26/2005 1:34:43 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Steven W.

Amen Brother. Let the beatings begin on all Libs.


12 posted on 10/26/2005 1:34:51 PM PDT by jw777
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To: ianschwartz
The following from a parallel story in the NY Sun http://www.nysun.com/article/22112

It was not clear why Mr. Fitzgerald chose to use a back stairway or elevator to reach his session with the chief judge, but if he took the usual route he would likely have been followed by a parade of journalists who gathered at the courthouse to await predicted indictments in the case.

They claim don't know why he took the stairs then answer why in the same paragraph. Does this make sense to them.

The MSM is very responsible. We know whats in Karl Roves garage, which way Fitzgerald walked thru the courthouse, but nary a clue what Mr. Berger smuggled out in his undershorts.
13 posted on 10/26/2005 1:35:31 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: ErnBatavia

"... Fitz will indict any and every member of the administration he can, 'irregardlessly'."


That would be irresponsible on Fitz's part - and he has such a good reputation for applying the law - I don't see that happening. I don't see any member of the admin having committed a crime.


14 posted on 10/26/2005 1:35:54 PM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: Steven W.

[...Fitzy needs more time to start the real prosecution of Joe & Val's big lie to congress & the GJ...]

Charges??? Conspiracy to destroy a Presidency. The Wilsons go to jail, while those of us who seek justice poise for more indictments of key CIA officials invovled in this plot.

Call me Pollyanna.


15 posted on 10/26/2005 1:36:35 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark
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To: rface

Who on earth cares what those idiots have to say - they're lunatics!


16 posted on 10/26/2005 1:36:38 PM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: ianschwartz

It's the end of the Grand Jury's term and he is reporting to the Chief Judge. I'd expect him to do that regardless of the outcome. It's premature orgasm in the MSM.


17 posted on 10/26/2005 1:39:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: CyberAnt

yes they are lunatics --- and they are the activist branch of the Democrat Party, so it pays to watch and laugh at them


18 posted on 10/26/2005 1:40:10 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: Seeking the truth
That's my thinking

Seymour Hersch wrote a piece in the NYT a year or so ago that claimed it was rumored that some disgruntled CIA folks created the fake docs tto try to discredit the war policy.

19 posted on 10/26/2005 1:40:17 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: colorado tanker

Yeah .. well .. so what else is new ..??


20 posted on 10/26/2005 1:40:32 PM PDT by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: colorado tanker

yes, the MSM is prematurely ejaculating


21 posted on 10/26/2005 1:41:25 PM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: ianschwartz

My question is this:

If the CIA plotted this whole thing against the Bush Administration, the question is WHY???? and isn't this TREASON?????

And isn't joe wilson a part of the CIA???? and why did he write a story about all this and said he 'wife' was a covert agent when she really wasn't?????

And who in their right mind would admit to someone standing at your door asking you if you knew your neighbor was an 'agent'????? Not me...lol


22 posted on 10/26/2005 1:41:48 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: Jo Nuvark

If Fitzgerald bamboozles the media and makes NO
indictments, maybe Bush should consider nominating HIM
for the Supreme Court! <>g<>


23 posted on 10/26/2005 1:42:03 PM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: CyberAnt

Joe testified- there is no record of Valerie testifying.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/10/the_f_list.html#more


24 posted on 10/26/2005 1:42:17 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: colorado tanker

Reagan appointee. Hogan


25 posted on 10/26/2005 1:42:47 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ianschwartz

they had a smoke together and talked about those stinking Astro's.........


26 posted on 10/26/2005 1:43:55 PM PDT by Sub-Driver (Unelect All NJ Politicians....)
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To: SE Mom

From this list, I have a feeling that Novak source is Richard Armitage.


27 posted on 10/26/2005 1:45:18 PM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: ianschwartz

Breaking News; Fitzgerald broke wind after his lunch.


28 posted on 10/26/2005 1:51:15 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: jveritas

Now there's a thought I never had. Interesting take..

I've always had respect for Dick Armitage- seems to be a straight shooter. But then he had to go to State- where everyone's brains seem to turn to mush.


29 posted on 10/26/2005 1:51:23 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: jveritas
This Richard Arnitage?
30 posted on 10/26/2005 1:51:59 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas (Separation of Church and State is a MYTH, read the First Amendment)
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To: ianschwartz

Whatever happens, Fitzgerald is a patriot.

Now being originally from Chicago and the burbs, I've known about Fitzgerald for quite a while. I have a friend who is in the FBI, out of Chicago, and was on the Terrorism Task Force, very high up, and he had nothing but good things to say about him. (Same guy involved in the Padilla case) The whole Chicago FBI Office was very happy to get Fitzgerald in 2001 according to my source.

Fitzgerald is a true patriot in my opinion, and has demonstrated his patriotism many times in the courtroom on behalf of The United States of America.

His prowess in battling Corruption in that liberal bastion of Chicago with daley (pathetic jerk), and the cronies is well documented.

Whatever happens in this investigation, this is one guy who I trust will do the right thing, whatever that turns out to be.

But what will the liberals do if Rove is NOT INDICTED....

No matter what, they will turn on this prosecutor, in my own opinion, like there is no tomorrow. Even if I. Lewis Libby is indicted, which is still questionable, there will be no shortage of liberal bias and going after this patriot of a prosecutor.

The liberals will be looking for blood, and Fitzgerald will then become the target in my own opinion.

Stay tuned folks, this is getting interesting. I can't wait for the dem implosion, which almost always comes, and I will also have something to say once the investigation is over.

Regards,
Joe


31 posted on 10/26/2005 1:52:26 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: SE Mom
The list says "Stranger who stopped Novak on the street". Is that a person's last name, or did some nameless, random person testify?
32 posted on 10/26/2005 1:55:32 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: All
Answers to a lot of the questions can be found here in this thread:

Joe Wilson's Lies, A Timeline - Who Forged the Documents? (Vanity)

A plausible case for a rogue CIA/French conspiracy against the President and his adminstration.

My own take on this affair is a bit more mundane: Wilson gets involved in the anti-war crowd and Kerry's camapaign. Little wifey tells Joe about goings on at work. Joe uses these tidbits in talks to make himself sound more important. Novak writes article noting that Joe's wife is with the CIA. Joe gets mightily worried. To leak secrets from the CIA is a big no-no for both little wife and prospective Kerry Sec State Joe W. Joe goes to attack. MSM and CIA follow suit.

33 posted on 10/26/2005 1:57:36 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: festus

Don't forget that Sandy Burglar not only stole classifed documents, but he destroyed some! I think destroying them gets lost in what crimes he did.


34 posted on 10/26/2005 1:58:46 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: festus

LMAO..yes..we now know what's in Rove's garage but:

I don't think it is his REAL house. Wasn't he driving a sweet Mercedes when he left the grand jury a few days back? Where does he park it? Not in that full one-car garage in that DECOY suburban home. I don't think the media would be able to contain themselves from revealing where Rove truly lived, if they knew.

LOL! KARL ROVE, you ROCK! I love it...


35 posted on 10/26/2005 2:00:10 PM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: ianschwartz

Fitzgerald knows he will be cruxified if he fails to indict anyone.


36 posted on 10/26/2005 2:00:59 PM PDT by montag813
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To: jennyjenny

We don't know that person's name yet.


37 posted on 10/26/2005 2:01:45 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Grendel9

[...If Fitzgerald bamboozles the media and makes NO
indictments, maybe Bush should consider nominating HIM
for the Supreme Court!...]

Ooooooh! I like the way you think. Now the questions. Did he ever write any opinions, work for a President, join a radical college organization? Where does he land on abortion? Was his FBI file in that pile on the Clinton's dining room table?

Sorry for the rant. I feel like I'm watching my country go down like the Hindenberg.


38 posted on 10/26/2005 2:02:18 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark
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To: SE Mom

Dick Armitage was Powell's co-hort and was anti-Bush.


39 posted on 10/26/2005 2:02:45 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Seeking the truth
damn those rogues..


40 posted on 10/26/2005 2:03:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Suzy Quzy

I know he was Powell's deputy, but he still seemed like a reasonable man.


41 posted on 10/26/2005 2:04:32 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: HarleyLady27

This is why the libbies protested Porter Goss's appointment to head the CIA. Of course, they'd protest a hanging with a new rope! They didn't want anyone firing/snooping in on the CIA set-up that they've managed to cobble together with Wilson/Plame's assistance. I hope Goss is throttling the bad guys in the CIA. This is one scary mess...to think that Americans in the CIA don't give a damn about our national security. My biggest fear is that it's far worse than wanting to just take down a president, which is bad enough.


42 posted on 10/26/2005 2:04:56 PM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: HarleyLady27
"And isn't joe wilson a part of the CIA????"

No, he's not, which is why this whole thing got started. Novak asked his source why Wilson - who is NOT CIA, is NOT a WMD expert, is NOT a trained investigator, did NOT have recent contacts in Niger, and who IS a blabbermouth and a publicity hound - was selected by the CIA for the sensitive Niger mission, and that is when his wife was mentioned.

But regarding your question, a secondary question is why didn't the CIA force him to sign a security agreement and why didn't they prohibit him from blabbing to the media? Why was everyone else committed to silence and strict security, but Wilson allowed to blab to his heart's content?
43 posted on 10/26/2005 2:04:58 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ncountylee
Reagan appointee. Hogan.

I don't think the C.J. has much to do substantively with the Grand Jury process, but I suppose he could offer some friendly advice if Fitz was proposing to do something off the wall.

44 posted on 10/26/2005 2:05:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: jennyjenny
The list says "Stranger who stopped Novak on the street". Is that a person's last name, or did some nameless, random person testify?

That stranger is believed to be Larry Johnson, ex-CIA, prominent Bush-basher, and personal friend of Joseph Wilson.
45 posted on 10/26/2005 2:07:11 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: colorado tanker
Absent any shocking new developments, I think yours is the best explanation. GJ's are creatures of the District Court, Fitz is from out of town, sometimes a courtesy call is just that.
46 posted on 10/26/2005 2:07:13 PM PDT by gypsylea
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To: Jo Nuvark
[...If Fitzgerald bamboozles the media and makes NO indictments, maybe Bush should consider nominating HIM for the Supreme Court!...]

If that were to happen within a week he would be left of Castro because that RINO Bush picked him.

Pray for W and Our Troops

47 posted on 10/26/2005 2:08:46 PM PDT by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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48 posted on 10/26/2005 2:10:01 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: goresalooza

[... This is one scary mess...to think that Americans in the CIA don't give a damn about our national security. My biggest fear is that it's far worse than wanting to just take down a president, which is bad enough... ]

Like GW, Robert and John F. Kennedy tried to reign in the CIA. The rest is history. Now that's scary.


49 posted on 10/26/2005 2:12:19 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark
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To: Steve_Seattle
Thanks. Somehow I've missed this part of it. Do you know what it was this stranger said to Novak?

TIA
50 posted on 10/26/2005 2:12:26 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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