Posted on 10/03/2005 2:17:10 PM PDT by lizol
As for the German-Polish relations, both sides have to work on it to maintain the good mood between us. Since Poland and the eastern parts of my country joined the league of free nations, there was conflict between us, and there shouldn´t be one. As long as we are free, democratic and righteous states, we will have good relations. I can sort-of guarantee you that Germany will be such a country. It is on you to do the same for Poland. :-) I have no worries about that.
I don´t know what the purpose of this pipeline on the German side is, if not monetary interests. I hope that there´ll be some more explanation.
I'm afraid you require the impossible from me. No one can guarantee the future. It is diplomats' and politicians' job to be aware of this more than other people.
I don´t know what the purpose of this pipeline on the German side is, if not monetary interests.
I suspect what the reasons on the part of Germany may be: exactly the same as Polish. Germany thinks that one day Poland may use the "gas blackmail" against Germany. In this case it prefers to be dependent on Russia rather than on Poland. I don't blame Germans, I think that the core of the problem is in the German-Polish relations. If they were really good Schroder would never think of striking deal with Russia to the detriment of Poland's strategic interests. The problem is that Germans trust Russia more than they trust Poland. Why it so remains a mystery to me. Maybe you tell me?
Well, Poland does not border Russia, so Belarus could play a role. Also, Schröder and Putin are friends - I don´t know why. It is double standard to criticize the Iraq war while not criticizing the war in Chechnya.
On a last note, I think it is every citizens task to prevent evil regimes, so I´ll stay with my "it´s your job!" But as I said, I have no worries about your success.
I'm not trying to be picky, just informative.
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Poland does border Russia, remember about the enclave.
so Belarus could play a role.
Belarus is a puppet state. There is a deal between Lukashenko and Putin, Luka is the president with full internal power but he must play nicely with Moscow, what means that his foreign policy is strictly controlled by Kremlin. Remember that Belarus is 100% dependent from Russian gas and oil. They don’t like this Baltic project as well but they refuse to comment these plans cause they received such orders from the east.
It is double standard to criticize the Iraq war while not criticizing the war in Chechnya.
You are right this is amusing. How about the Greens? Looks like they betrayed their ideals as well.
As opposed to the blackmail by the Balts or Poles on the passage of gas to market, while they tack on their fees. It's not about you not being able to buy gas, you'll still be able to buy it, its about you not getting tranfer tariffs and watching one of the few positive incomes for a socialist, bankrupt, unemployed economy vanish.
Cutting out the middleman and the cost tacked on is a typical capitalist move.
Only if he enjoys diplomatic immunity. Otherwise, every sovereign country is completely within its rights to detain anyone who is suspected of a crime within its territory, foreigner or not.
By and far, one of the stupidest statements you've made. So you don't make money? Then you're a bunch of first rate fools. Either that or you are so full of it, the Martians can smell it. Which is it?
You'd best tell Deutsche Welle they're wrong too and all the experts, since you angels don't charge for having gas move over your land. What a laugh....don't let anyone tell you you aren't funny.
Putin to meet Schröder in Berlin in Sept
Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder in Berlin on September 8 just days before a general election in Germany, Schröder's spokesman said on Friday. Bela Anda said the two leaders, who are close friends, would discuss "economic ties, especially cooperation in the energy field, but will also talk about international issues." The Financial Times Deutschland on Friday reported that a contract for the construction of the so-called Ost-See gas pipeline was expected to be signed during the visit. The pipeline is a joint project between Germany's Eon Ruhrgas and Russia's Gasprom to feed Russian gas directly to Germany through the Baltic Sea from 2010. The project is controversial in Poland and the Ukraine because they stand to loose transfer fees. Schröder faces an uphill battle to hold on to his post in early elections on September 18, with polls indicating he is likely to be unseated by conservative opposition leader Angela Merkel.
You should take your own advice, since you're showing your "knowledge".
From ISN: International Relations and Security Network Part of the problem is that Poland and the Baltic states currently receive transit fees from Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom for allowing its pipelines to cross their territory on their way to the western European market
You are 100%, overwhelming corruption among politicians, they are in Gazprom’s pockets. They are selling national interests for pennies. As you know these facts that you provided here it is just a little part of the “business”.
I mean "you are 100% correct"
Oh, the 1/3rd isn't payment? Gads, I guess you seriously take us here for fools but the only one who is is you for trying to push such stupidity. Fine, how about we measure what the worth of that 1/3rd is, I'd bet it's well over $50 billion, such a small 'fee'.
So you are a liar (what's new?) and there was a few by your own admission (never mind my articles and common sense) you just don't feel like it's big enough so you use the leftist technique of trying to deny there even is one. Well, isn't that a surprise? /sarcasm
Please provide legal documents or other reliable sources to confirm Polish government makes money of the transfer via Polish territory. If you can't - then stop barking about things you have no idea about.
71 posted on 10/11/2005 2:17:39 AM PDT by twinself
But now that I've proved there is a fee, you change your argument to show that its in your opinion so small that its not a fee, but yet it is a fee, just not to your liking. Wow, how circular that logic and how you're trying to change it now that you've been proven a liar.
Here's some advice, renegotiate but just keep in mind that you might renegotiate yourself out of everything and that is capitalism. Outside of set contracts presently in existance, no one has to sell you anything, even if you can't survive without it.
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