Cheney in 2008? Does anyone really believe this?

Personally I think he has definitely considered that possibility. He has been unofficially campaigning since the Iowa caucus during the last election cycle. Also, the perception is that Cheney has too much baggage to allow him to concentrate on a serious run for the White House.

no however...

I think that neither Tim Pawlenty or Bill Ownes will run. Additionally I think George Allen might turn out to be a huge disappointment, which will leave the path wide open for McCain. Sam Brownback is a lightweight.

there might be a draft Cheney movement as 2007 nears, but he wont run

Nope, not intimidated by collective Clinton voodoo, but do know that Hillary has near-universal voter recognition, which translates to millions (and millions) of dollars. That recognition, combined with her increasingly hawkish positioning on national defense and her 'centering' on controversial policies like abortion, make her a formidable opponent. If Republicans throw a dark horse against her out of some misguided sense of idealogical purity, we lose. And regardless of what Democrats in Ohio might say, losing is a bad thing.

Thanks for putting in words what I feel.

I am from Colorado. Owens is definitely dead in the water. A prominent Denver magazine rated the top most influential people in the state. Owen's wife was number one, because she knows where all the lies are, and where the dead bodies are buried. Owens was welll down the list.

Owens has not even energized the conservative Republicans in his own state, he has little chance nationwide. He lost the 2nd amendment people after he aquiesced to the gun grabbers following Columbine. The joked argument was, if the two boys had broken 66 laws doing what they did, if only we had had 71...they would not have done it. So lets pass 5 more.

He really screwed up the Senate race last year. He publicly supported well-loved, maverick conservative Bob Shaffer, then a day or two later reversed himself and endorsed Pete Coors.

Pete Coors was a huge disappointment as a campaigner, and if it weren't for Owens changing his mind, he would not have been in the race. In fact, Coors was literally dreadful. The week before the election I saw him speak to a room of over 100 enthusiastic supporters in Colorado Springs, and he still was stilted, halting and forgot (at that late stage) to introduce his own wife.

He lost the State delegation vote by a large margin, and in fact, many think he did NOT make the Primary ballot. Powers that be huddled over a delayed ballot counting of delegates and presto...he had just over the 30% necessary to get on the ballot.

It cost us dearly! Don't look to Colorado for any Presidents in the next 10 years.

To be honest, I'm not a big Rudy fan, but I am a realist. With the country so evenly divided, we need a candidate who can swing the middle while motivating the base. Guiliani can swing the middle, sure enough, but can he enervate the solid conservatives in red state country? The conservative base is leery of Guiliani, for good reasons: his stance on abortion, his messy personal life, the simple fact of his New York mayoralty and the Tammany Hall machine residue that still clings to New York politicians in toto. The only way his candidacy could work is the choice of a bedrock conservative voice as the other half of the ticket, a known quantity with heartland appeal. Who could be that voice, that balance on the ticket? Who knows? (but I bet Rove and other GOP politicos have some ideas.)

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