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Europe's oldest civilisation unearthed
theage.com ^ | 6/11/05 | AFP

Posted on 06/11/2005 2:02:58 PM PDT by wagglebee

Europe's oldest civilisation has been discovered by archaeologists across the continent, it was reported yesterday.

More than 150 large temples, constructed between 4800 BC and 4600 BC, have been unearthed in fields and cities in Germany, Austria and Slovakia, predating the pyramids in Egypt by some 2,000 years, The Independent newspaper revealed.

The network of temples, made of earth and wood, were constructed by a religious people whose economy appears to have been based on livestock farming, The Independent reported.

Excavations have taken place over the past three years but the discovery is so new that the civilisation has not yet been named.

The most complex centre discovered so far, beneath the city of Dresden in Saxony, eastern Germany, comprises a temple surrounded by four ditches, three earthen banks and two palisades.

"Our excavations have revealed the degree of monumental vision and sophistication used by these early farming communities to create Europe's first truly large scale earthwork complexes," said Harald Staeuble, from the Saxony state government's heritage department.

The temples, up to 150 metres in diameter, were made by a people who lived in long houses and villages, the newspaper said.

Stone, bone and wooden tools have been unearthed, along with ceramic figures of people and animals.

A village at Aythra, near Leipzig in eastern Germany, was home to some 300 people living in up to 20 large buildings around the temple.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancientastronauts; archaeology; archeology; europe; europeancivilization; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; mithraism; picts; zarathustra
If these temples predate the Egyptian pyramids by 2000 years, it dramatically changes the history of technology and civilization.
1 posted on 06/11/2005 2:02:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2005 2:03:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Got a simultaneous thread.


3 posted on 06/11/2005 2:04:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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To: wagglebee
Europe's oldest civilisation unearthed


4 posted on 06/11/2005 2:05:15 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: wagglebee

Sons of Japeth....


5 posted on 06/11/2005 2:05:31 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: RightWhale

Please post the link, so people can cross reference the posts. Thanks.


6 posted on 06/11/2005 2:05:40 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: wagglebee
Already posted over here.
7 posted on 06/11/2005 2:08:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

But that one didn't have the key words GGG added.

I looked for it, after someone mentioned the other article and didn't come up on GGG keyword search.

I addedd the GGG now.


8 posted on 06/11/2005 2:10:10 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: blam

The titles are totally different, so the search missed it.


9 posted on 06/11/2005 2:10:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Stone, bone and wooden tools have been unearthed, along with ceramic figures of people and animals.

Ceramic figures? WOW!

10 posted on 06/11/2005 2:10:50 PM PDT by infocats
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To: wagglebee

I didn't see the earlier ones, so I am glad you posted this one. :)


11 posted on 06/11/2005 2:12:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: wagglebee

And the article you posted has more details too.


12 posted on 06/11/2005 2:13:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: wagglebee
"The titles are totally different, so the search missed it."

Happens to us all, lol. (No problem)

13 posted on 06/11/2005 2:14:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: FairOpinion

The one in The Independent has the most, but it can't be posted on FR.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=645976


14 posted on 06/11/2005 2:14:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Very interesting, thanks!


15 posted on 06/11/2005 2:16:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: wagglebee
If these temples predate the Egyptian pyramids by 2000 years, it dramatically changes the history of technology and civilization.

They can no longer wear the tag: Cradle of Civilization.

16 posted on 06/11/2005 2:21:09 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: wagglebee

Who is the goofball who added "ancient astronauts" to the keywords?
How embarrassing...


17 posted on 06/11/2005 2:27:13 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: wagglebee
If these temples predate the Egyptian pyramids by 2000 years, it dramatically changes the history of technology and civilization.

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This is very exciting news.

18 posted on 06/11/2005 2:28:29 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: pbrown

I believe the "Fertice Crescent" in present-day Iraq would still be the "Cradle of Civilization;" however, this dramatically changes historical views of technological development and European migration.


19 posted on 06/11/2005 2:29:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
I believe the "Fertice Crescent" in present-day Iraq would still be the "Cradle of Civilization;" however, this dramatically changes historical views of technological development and European migration.

It certainly does.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but, wasn't the first alphabet created in Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq?

20 posted on 06/11/2005 2:33:32 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

You are correct about the alphabet.
http://phoenicia.org/alphabet.html
http://www.ancientscripts.com/alphabet.html


21 posted on 06/11/2005 2:40:09 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Fantastic links, thanks. I won't even try to delve into the Phoenician numerals. :-)

The alphabet family tree is a great visual tool for me.

22 posted on 06/11/2005 2:57:37 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: wagglebee

Very neat! I wish there was some more info about the background and subsequent fate of these people except that they arrived in Germany from the Danube Basin.


23 posted on 06/11/2005 8:42:15 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: pbrown

Sanskrit predates that.


24 posted on 06/11/2005 10:28:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: little jeremiah
Sanskrit predates that.

I've heard of Sanskrit but I didn't know it predates it. Do you have a link? I would love to read it.

25 posted on 06/11/2005 10:46:31 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: wagglebee
Clay and logs don't measure to the sophistication of Egypt a even a millennia later. They don't list the height. I sure it wasn't towering, just an area to worship. The base of the Great Pyramid was 230 meters...one block about a ton?
26 posted on 06/11/2005 10:49:08 PM PDT by endthematrix (Thank you US armed forces, for everything you give and have given!)
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To: pbrown

Sorry, I don't. I should put together some 'net info on Sanskrit and the ancient Vedic culture.

Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo-European languages, very very ancient.

I've read a book which gives lists of Sanskrit derived words in almost every European and many other languages. I don't read it myself (different alphabet) but am familiar with many words, and it is amazing how many English words are Sanskrit derived. Often dictionaries do not mention the Sanskrit derivation; they'll say Old English, or Latin, or Greek. But I'll know that it's Sanskrit.

Take the word "tumultuous" - the Sanskrit word is (written in English letters) "tumulo". Or "youth" - "yauvana". Or "daugher" - "duhitra". "Three" - "trai". I could go on and on.

The Vedic culture was very ancient when Egypt and Greece were pre-history.


27 posted on 06/11/2005 11:06:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks. I'll just use 'Sanskrit' as keyword on the net and see what I can find.


28 posted on 06/12/2005 8:56:47 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: AntiGuv
I wish there was some more info about the background and subsequent fate of these people except that they arrived in Germany from the Danube Basin.

See this Link.

After the last Ice Age, it appears that the general migration came from Spain between 8K and 10K BC.

29 posted on 06/12/2005 9:08:16 AM PDT by FreeReign
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

30 posted on 06/13/2005 11:57:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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this is a duplicate thread, more or less, the following is the oldest one:

Temples Older Than Pyramids Found (In Europe)
BBC | Saturday June 11 2005
Posted on 06/11/2005 12:54:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421011/posts


31 posted on 06/14/2005 9:56:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: wagglebee

fascinating


32 posted on 06/14/2005 9:59:39 PM PDT by Sam Cree (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy)
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