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Beast's Real Mark Devalued to '616'
National Post ^ | Wednesday, May 04, 2005 | Chris Wattie

Posted on 05/04/2005 12:20:16 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.

Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, said the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Dr. Aitken said. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The tiny fragment of 1,500-year-old papyrus is written in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, and contains a key passage from the Book of Revelation.

Where more conventional versions of the Bible give 666 as the "number of the beast," or the sign of the anti-Christ whose coming is predicted in the book's apocalyptic verses, the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616.

"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Dr. Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 616; 666; bible; christianity; newtestament
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1 posted on 05/04/2005 12:20:17 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

"665" Neighbor of the Beast Bump!


2 posted on 05/04/2005 12:23:38 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: West Coast Conservative

616 was simply adjusted for inflation.


3 posted on 05/04/2005 12:26:26 AM PDT by Salamander
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To: West Coast Conservative

It seems with all the anti-christs floating about the liberal churches, supply is exceeding demand and the value of anti-christs is dropping.


4 posted on 05/04/2005 12:27:16 AM PDT by explodingspleen (http://mish-mash.info/)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Quite curious why no instances of this "Wal-Mart price of the Beast" got into later copies of the bible. Especially in a book which exhibits remarkably little difference in available manuscripts, and which in fact threatens to curse anyone who alters it.

I'd think the 616 version is bogus.


5 posted on 05/04/2005 12:34:31 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state and Georgia, the rotten peach, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I don't doubt it, but I bet the literalists are going to have a field day in their efforts to skewer it. I'll go ahead and make the call on words and phrases that will be used to describe the discovery and to dismiss it.

"deception"
"fraud"
"anti-Christian"
"secular humanist(s)"
"evil"
"science"
(and "evil scientists")
"infallible Word of God"
"godless"

Some others may figure it makes no difference, the new translation of the number, but I'm banking on at least a little caterwalling.

I also figure I will be called things like "atheist" or "secular humanist" and a variety of other epithets, but that's cool, because I know I'm not. I'm a Christian.

Let's see what happens.

[goes to press 'Post'.]


6 posted on 05/04/2005 12:34:37 AM PDT by HowardDeanScream08
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To: HowardDeanScream08

I think history and theology militates against the 616 interpretation. Now if someone were to turn up a cache of, say, a few dozen ancient bibles that render the number this way, then the argument could be revisited.


7 posted on 05/04/2005 12:37:09 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state and Georgia, the rotten peach, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: HowardDeanScream08; MeekOneGOP

Sniff?


8 posted on 05/04/2005 12:39:00 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: West Coast Conservative
the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.

666 was NEVER the devil's prime number. It was the devil's composite number.

9 posted on 05/04/2005 12:40:20 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: West Coast Conservative
the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.

666 was NEVER the devil's prime number. It was the devil's composite number.

10 posted on 05/04/2005 12:40:21 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Sorry about that - had a little slam-fire on the "Post" key.


11 posted on 05/04/2005 12:41:14 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: West Coast Conservative

REGULAR LOW PRICE 666!

MANAGERS SPECIAL 616! (while supplies last til 31 04 05)


12 posted on 05/04/2005 12:41:22 AM PDT by beaver fever
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To: West Coast Conservative

Now they have to go back and re-do the Damien movies.


13 posted on 05/04/2005 12:44:35 AM PDT by chemicalman (Finally an answer for the prisoner problem at Abu Ghraib: Don't take any.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

No, 666 is still the number of the Beast. 616 is just his area code.


15 posted on 05/04/2005 12:45:47 AM PDT by RichInOC (...somebody had to say it...why not me?)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Snort?


16 posted on 05/04/2005 12:45:49 AM PDT by HowardDeanScream08
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To: West Coast Conservative

666 number of the beast

668 neighbor of the beast

DCLXVI roman numeral of the beast

666.000 number of the high-precision beast

1010011 binary number of the beast

$665.95 retail price of the beast

$656.66 Wal-Mart price of the beast

Phillips 666 gasoline of the beast

Route 666 way of the beast

666 F oven temperature for cooking roast beast

666K retirement plan of the beast

666 mg recommended daily requirement of beast

6.66% 6 year CD rate at First Beast Bank ($666 min. deposit)

Lotus6.66 spreadsheet of the beast

Word66.6 word processor of the beast

666i BMW of the beast

666.HG.6666 URL of the beast

IAM 666 license plate of the beast

WD-666 spray lubricant of the beast

66.6 MHz FM radio station of the beast

666 KHz AM radio station of the beast


17 posted on 05/04/2005 12:46:53 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: hellbilly
Evidently, your disconector is a bit to short in relation to your sear.

Let's leave my personal life out of this.

18 posted on 05/04/2005 12:48:15 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: Slings and Arrows

6.66% tax on the beast


19 posted on 05/04/2005 12:51:23 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Great Now I have to get another tatto corrected...first it was a new girlfriend and now this. Guh


20 posted on 05/04/2005 12:52:14 AM PDT by chemical_boy
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