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Vatican does not know identity of "secret" cardinal appointed by pope
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| April 5, 2005
Posted on 04/05/2005 11:25:19 AM PDT by NYer
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:25:20 AM PDT
by
NYer
To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Tue Apr 5, 2:14 PM ET A crowd of people stand in line ouside St. Peter's Basilica waiting to pay their final respects to Pope John Paul II in the Vatican City. Close to a million mourners have paid their last respects, the Vatican said.(AFP/Thomas Coex)
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:27:57 AM PDT
by
NYer
("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
To: NYer
Brings back memories of "What's My Line?"
"And will the real cardinal please stand up"
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:28:02 AM PDT
by
kellynla
(U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
To: NYer
The media is going to get someone killed or jailed. Of course, they don't really care as long as they get the ratings. What's one less Catholic to them?
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:30:28 AM PDT
by
Owl558
(Please excuse my spelling)
To: kellynla
We are reading conflicting reports.
There is chaos in the Holy See.
The Holy Father has not been emballed.
A decision, contra yesterday's reports, regarding where John Paul the Great is to be buried has not been made.
His last will has not been read.
I fear a power struggle is commencing.
Why else would the will have not been read yet.
Chaotic times are approaching, I fear a long conclave, and I fear most a time of great despair.
To: NYer
Hey..who's that new guy over there in the corner?
Do any of you guys remember him?
To: watsonfellow; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo
Can anyone confirm #5? If true, that is disturbing.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:32:37 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
To: watsonfellow
I will live my faith, not cower in fear. All is well. God is in charge.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:33:35 AM PDT
by
tioga
(John Paul II RIP.)
To: NYer
Personally, I hope it's that butt-kickin' Nigerian dude. It's the third-world cardinals that take their jobs as seriously as did J.P. Recall how that it was the african Anglican bishops who raised such holy hell when jolly Gene Robinson was elevated. It is in the third world where Catholicism is growing and where it has to face routine persecution from dictators and islam-o-nutters.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:33:53 AM PDT
by
sinanju
To: watsonfellow
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:34:37 AM PDT
by
Dumb_Ox
(Be not Afraid.)
To: Owl558
There could be other reasons besides the personal danger of the cardinal in pectore, for his name to be so reserved, for example, if the appointment as a cardinal would not fit into the organizational structure of the curial dicastery or other body where the cardinal in pectore was working.
Thus my guess (for the two cents it's worth) is that he is/was Stanislas Dziwisz himself (the Pope's faithful aide since Crakow).
Woody
To: NYer
A fascinating guessing game... most logically, China or a muslim country.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:38:08 AM PDT
by
Publius6961
(The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
To: Pyro7480
And what about logistics for a cardinal "in pectore". Can such a cardinal's identity remain secret while still allowing him a vote? This would mean he'd have to have an absentee vote, and thus some form of envoy or mechanism to cast it. It would also have lots of other issues, as he would be an exception to the rules requiring presence at the Vatican.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:38:41 AM PDT
by
C210N
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To: C210N
Can such a cardinal's identity remain secret while still allowing him a vote?Seems to me thats one reason they have to read John Pauls stuff before they vote. If his name is revealed there, then he gets to vote, no problem.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:39:43 AM PDT
by
Paradox
(Occam was probably right.)
To: watsonfellow
It is most wise to speak as little as possible on matters you know nothing about.
If you are a Cardinal, I apologize for my presumption.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:40:00 AM PDT
by
Publius6961
(The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
To: NYer
What business is it of the MSM who it is. It's none of their biswax
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:41:53 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
To: watsonfellow
"The Holy Father has not been emballed"
I think you mean "embalmed" and they don't "embalm" popes.
"I fear a power struggle is commencing."
not to belittle your concern, but I think you should take a few deep breaths and relax...after all the Church is overseen by God. Have a little faith in God and everything will "come out in the wash"... the Church has survived for 2000 years of wars, heresies and scandals; I think the Church can manage this.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:42:25 AM PDT
by
kellynla
(U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
To: Pyro7480
Just a kook a flappin' his gums.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:45:04 AM PDT
by
StoneColdGOP
("What does Marsellus Wallace look like?")
To: C210N
And what about logistics for a cardinal "in pectore". Can such a cardinal's identity remain secret while still allowing him a vote? I don't believe a cardinal in pectore can vote -- how would anyone know he was a cardinal? The name would have to be revealed to take part in the conclave -- because if the name is not revealed by the Pope who names such a cardinal, he ceases to be a cardinal upon the Pope's death.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:45:20 AM PDT
by
JohnnyZ
(“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
To: watsonfellow
I fear a power struggle is commencing. Chill out. Get back on your meds.
The only "power struggle" will be something called a "conclave". It's nothing to be scared of unless you're French.
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posted on
04/05/2005 11:48:03 AM PDT
by
JohnnyZ
(“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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