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President Bush pardons eight, including convicted bootlegger
WBAY.com ^ | 3/04/05

Posted on 03/04/2005 2:16:48 PM PST by Libloather

Bush pardons eight, including convicted bootlegger

WASHINGTON - President Bush has acted to pardon eight people, including a man convicted of bootlegging 45 years ago.

It's the first round of clemency orders in the president's second term -- and brings his total since taking office to 39 pardons and sentence commutations.

Those pardoned include three men from Texas, and one each from New York, Florida, New Mexico, North Dakota and South Dakota.

Their offenses range from misusing mortgage funds to theft of government property. The bootlegger, Charles Russell Cooper of Corpus Christi, Texas, was given three years' probation.

By historical standards, Bush has issued relatively few pardons. Most presidents issue hundreds. Bill Clinton gave out 456, including 176 on his last day as president.

Franklin Roosevelt issued the most pardons -- more than three-thousand during his four terms. Only two presidents never pardoned anyone -- James Garfield and William Henry Harrison.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bootlegger; bush; clemency; convicted; eight; including; pardons; president; term2
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1 posted on 03/04/2005 2:16:49 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

"Thunder Run" in Texas!


2 posted on 03/04/2005 2:18:55 PM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Libloather
Only two presidents never pardoned anyone -- James Garfield and William Henry Harrison.

It helps if you can live long enough to issue a pardon.

3 posted on 03/04/2005 2:19:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: RAY

gotta luv a bootlegger.


4 posted on 03/04/2005 2:19:37 PM PST by pissant
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To: Libloather

And why did bootlegging happen? Because alcohol was illegal. Somehow the drug warriors don't understand this simple economic concept.


5 posted on 03/04/2005 2:21:30 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

2005
- 45
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1960, or about thirty years after prohibition was over.


6 posted on 03/04/2005 2:23:14 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Ahhhh, free agency. When owners tell you they're not going to do something they've already done.)
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To: Sir Gawain

Convicted bootlegger pardoned? I thought Joesph Kennedy (Sr.) was dead!


7 posted on 03/04/2005 2:23:48 PM PST by llevrok (Don't blame me! I voted for Pedro.)
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To: Libloather
President Bush has acted to pardon eight people, including a man convicted of bootlegging 45 years ago.

Let's see Ted Kennedy bash this one...

8 posted on 03/04/2005 2:24:19 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Libloather
Bill Clinton gave out 456, including 176 on his last day as president.

Which included a pardon of the FALN, which put the lives of millions of people at risk, and still are at risk, all so his psychotic wife could play Senator in a state she is never in. And if the FALN terrorize again to add to their already 130 bombings, guess who will get the blame? That`s right, GW. 130 bombings and they do 15 years, and Ted Kazinski did how many again? Maybe 7? 10? And he is doing 4 life terms. What Hitlery wants, Hitlery gets.

9 posted on 03/04/2005 2:24:25 PM PST by Imaverygooddriver (I`m a very good driver and I approve this message.)
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To: RAY; dirtboy; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Mudboy Slim; MurryMom
Bill Clinton gave out 456, including 176 on his last day as president.

Maybe he thought he was just signing books for his many fans who paid - big.


10 posted on 03/04/2005 2:24:46 PM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

I was talking about mafia level bootlegging during Prohibition, but thanks for showcasing your math skills for us. ;-)


11 posted on 03/04/2005 2:24:52 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Libloather
Most presidents issue hundreds. Bill Clinton gave out 456, including 176 on his last day as president.

Clinton turned it into a cottage industry.

12 posted on 03/04/2005 2:25:00 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Libloather
Bill Clinton gave out sold 456, including 176 on his last day as president.
13 posted on 03/04/2005 2:25:07 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Sir Gawain
And why did bootlegging happen?

Because NASCAR had not been invented yet.

LVM

14 posted on 03/04/2005 2:25:41 PM PST by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: Libloather
"Most presidents issue hundreds. Bill Clinton gave out 456, including 176 on his last day as president. "

The word is "sold," not "gave!" Someday, I hope to see a long list of connection between Saddam Huesein, Iraqi oil voucher/food-for-oil money, oil money beneficiaries and Clinton pardon recipients. So far, we have Marc Rich; I believe there'll be many other.

15 posted on 03/04/2005 2:25:57 PM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Would Harm America!")
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To: Sir Gawain

Aaargh. Sarcasm. I need to get back on the handing out end of it.:)


16 posted on 03/04/2005 2:26:30 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Ahhhh, free agency. When owners tell you they're not going to do something they've already done.)
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To: Sir Gawain

not to mention rampant crime, the rise of the mob, violence, loss of morality and civility, gangs in the streets.

It's best said here:

Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible.
-CA Justice Janice Rogers Brown

Yup, and the drug warriors don't get it.


17 posted on 03/04/2005 2:26:43 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
Which included a pardon of the FALN

Don't go there unless you also check out Bush Sr.'s pardons, including a large-scale drug dealer and a known terrorist who bombed an airliner.

18 posted on 03/04/2005 2:28:51 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
"1960, or about thirty years after prohibition was over."

Producing liquor clandestinely to avoid taxation is bootlegging. While liquor is "legal," basically anything produced except for personal use is taxable, and personal use quantities are restricted.

19 posted on 03/04/2005 2:29:01 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Sir Gawain

Probably drove thru a dry county.


20 posted on 03/04/2005 2:32:05 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: traviskicks

I'm all for community standards. The community should be able to decide what they will accept and what they will not. The city should be the center of politics and the state should be the highest level for laws and regulations.


21 posted on 03/04/2005 2:33:29 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Libloather

I'd like to be pardoned for wearing a green, luminous leisure suit to a bar and restaurant back in the disco 1970s. I gave it to Goodwill. It's probably still hanging on the rack.

I live in fear that someone may have a photo of me in that.


22 posted on 03/04/2005 2:34:44 PM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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To: llevrok
I thought Joesph Kennedy (Sr.) was dead!

Hahahahahah!

23 posted on 03/04/2005 2:37:04 PM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: Joe 6-pack; WinOne4TheGipper
You should also remember that there are still a good number of dry towns, from Wilton CT to entire counties in Texas.

There was a great article in a Mopar magazine about modified Chrysler New Yorkers in the early '60's doing 2AM runs of hootch through North Carolina. These cars had a beefed up engine, but mostly frame, suspension and brakes, so they could go with a full load in the trunk, removed back seat, etc. at +110mph. Those cars were used because they were fast, held a decent amount (the trunks on early '60's Chrysler C-bodies are huge), and would not raise suspicion when seen at a distance.
24 posted on 03/04/2005 2:38:05 PM PST by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: sergeantdave
I'd like to be pardoned for wearing a green, luminous leisure suit

I had an orange satin tux (black sequens on the lapels) with tails once. LMAO.

25 posted on 03/04/2005 2:40:06 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: antiRepublicrat

Well if so he should be exposed. That is treason and a betrayal of this country, I don`t care WHO it is. Any sitting President that pardons these types for favors, ESPECIALLY those that put the lives of Americans in jeopardy should absolutely be exposed and have their lives destroyed, and now I know why Bush Sr. has been making buddy buddy with Cinton recently.


26 posted on 03/04/2005 2:42:25 PM PST by Imaverygooddriver (I`m a very good driver and I approve this message.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Probably drove thru a dry county.

I bet he was smuggling tequila from Mexico.

27 posted on 03/04/2005 2:43:30 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: sittnick
"There was a great article in a Mopar magazine about modified Chrysler New Yorkers in the early '60's doing 2AM runs of hootch through North Carolina."

One of the two big car mags (Motor Trend or Road & Track) also had a pretty extensive article some 10 years ago or so in regards to the Chryslers...from the pics in the articles all I could imagine was Andy and Barney going after these these guys and eating their dust...

That wouldv'e been unpardonable...;-)

28 posted on 03/04/2005 2:43:38 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Libloather
"...he was just signing books for his many fans who paid - big."

Dirty rotten scoundrel...MUD

29 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:08 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: sergeantdave
I'd like to be pardoned for wearing a green, luminous leisure suit to a bar and restaurant back in the disco 1970s.

Hmmm...

Green, check
Luminous, check

That must be you in the middle, eh?

30 posted on 03/04/2005 2:45:39 PM PST by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Libloather
Bill Clinton gave out 456, including 176 on his last day as president.

For which he was handsomely compensated...

31 posted on 03/04/2005 2:46:05 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

He was transporting Coors beer across state lines in the South.


32 posted on 03/04/2005 2:47:12 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Producing liquor clandestinely"

Yes, no, sorta, maybe.

Liquor by the drink was not legal in Texas until the 60's. Even then as now, some counties or parts of Texas counties are "dry". Some are dryer than others. Some can sell packaged beer, some can add wine and some with liquor but not by the drink. The dryest have no sales of any type.

This version of bootlegging was bringing regular, taxed liquor into a dryer area for sale. Again, this can be beer, wine or hard liquor.

33 posted on 03/04/2005 2:48:32 PM PST by Deguello
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To: Sir Gawain

"I'm all for community standards. The community should be able to decide what they will accept and what they will not. The city should be the center of politics and the state should be the highest level for laws and regulations."
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Fair enough.

You might enjoy the link on my tag line.


34 posted on 03/04/2005 2:50:32 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: Tacis
BTW, I posted a thread yesterday on the latest Marc Rich news---seems he answered some questions in writing for Henry Hyde's investigators but they don't think Rich is being forthcoming (what a shock--not).

The last paragraph of the article I posted mentioned the grand jury is still looking into the pardon...

35 posted on 03/04/2005 2:50:32 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: sergeantdave
I live in fear that someone may have a photo of me in that.

Were you ever at the annual leisure suit convention?


36 posted on 03/04/2005 2:51:53 PM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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To: Deguello
I was aware of that...been through a few dry counties in TX and elsewhere...I used the example of producing one's own to avoid the taxes, but smuggling or importing from elsewhere also applies...

Bootlegging is essentially tax evasion.

37 posted on 03/04/2005 2:54:23 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: LasVegasMac
And why did bootlegging happen?
Because NASCAR had not been invented yet.
We have a winner; was not bootlegging the start of NASCAR - ie Jr Johnson down in Carolina trying to out run the local revenuers
38 posted on 03/04/2005 2:54:40 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Deguello; Joe 6-pack
"Bootlegging is essentially tax evasion."

(at least from the fedgov's perspective).

39 posted on 03/04/2005 2:56:04 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Libloather

Beg your pardon?


40 posted on 03/04/2005 2:57:22 PM PST by gimme1ibertee
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To: antiRepublicrat
Don't go there unless you also check out Bush Sr.'s pardons, including a large-scale drug dealer and a known terrorist who bombed an airliner.

We certainly will go there.

BTW, it is up to you to back up your claim with documentation.

41 posted on 03/04/2005 2:58:33 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Deguello
Even then as now, some counties or parts of Texas counties are "dry". Some are dryer than others. Some can sell packaged beer, some can add wine and some with liquor but not by the drink. The dryest have no sales of any type.

From the web -

Bootlegging
In Texas, this means transporting alcoholic beverages into a “dry” area with intent to sell them. If you are transporting more than one quart of liquor, 24 12-ounce bottles of beer or the equivalent of 228 ounces into a dry area, the legal presumption is that you intend to sell it. An eight gallon keg contains 1024 ounces, and parts of Lubbock County are dry.

Punishment: minimum $100 fine or confinement in county jail for up to 12 months or both.

http://www.campuslife.ttu.edu/ReadyReferences/legal_issues/alcohol_concerns.asp

42 posted on 03/04/2005 2:58:47 PM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Bootlegging is essentially tax evasion."

The example does not apply here. Bootlegging is still going on here in Texas.

You live in Bronte, your neighbor is going into San Angelo to buy beer. He picks up a few cases for you and someone else and ya'll pay him back when gets back into town. He is now a bootlegger. The tax was paid for state & federal.

43 posted on 03/04/2005 3:01:57 PM PST by Deguello
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To: Libloather
Are you here to tell me Bush did not pardon any P.R.terrorist.Oh i forgot Laura is not running For senator of NY.
44 posted on 03/04/2005 3:05:05 PM PST by solo gringo (Liberal democrats are parasites)
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To: sittnick

Beer Run lyrics
From the album Unknown album

twenty-five minutes past quitting time
Seven of us crammed into that truck of mine
Paying no attention to them highway signs
Doing ninety miles an hour toward the county line
Quick sack, twelve pack, back again
It's a b double e double r-u-n.

My buddies and their babies letting down their hair
As long as we're together is don't matter where
Ain't got a lot of money but we just don't care
Knowing half the fun is in the getting there
Aztec, long necks, paychecks spent
Oh, it's a b double e double r-u-n.
I can't stop thinking
What the hell they were drinking
Whan they made this county dry
I got a week-long thirst
And to make it worse
Lord, it's my turn to drive

Laughing and bragging and a' carrying on
We loaded up the wagons and we headed home
I guess half a dozen cases doesn't last that long
Come tomorrow morning it'll be all gone
Them, it's turn around, leave town, sounds again
Like a b double e double r-u-n.


Garth Brooks ;)


45 posted on 03/04/2005 3:12:27 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Libloather

Bush breaks the rules. Pardons don't come on his last day in office.

If you've gotta pardon someone, seems like it ought to be someone who was convicted of bootlegging 45 years ago.


46 posted on 03/04/2005 3:12:28 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Deguello
"The example does not apply here. Bootlegging is still going on here in Texas.

You live in Bronte, your neighbor is going into San Angelo to buy beer. He picks up a few cases for you and someone else and ya'll pay him back when gets back into town. He is now a bootlegger. The tax was paid for state & federal."

Boy, the state line really is the end of the earth for you Texans, isn't it? I understand what you're saying and did hastily try to clarify my point (see #39).

Do you have any of the details on the guy Bush pardoned and what he was doing?

47 posted on 03/04/2005 3:14:46 PM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Probably drove thru a dry county."

Yes and in a lot of dry counties, the sheriff was the biggest bootlegger.
48 posted on 03/04/2005 3:17:44 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: Brilliant

"If you've gotta pardon someone, seems like it ought to be someone who was convicted of bootlegging 45 years ago."

I totally agree.


49 posted on 03/04/2005 3:18:15 PM PST by Irish Rose (Some people march to the beat of a different drummer. And some people tango!)
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To: Indie

Track 18 - Bootlegging Blues

50 posted on 03/04/2005 3:24:40 PM PST by Libloather (The left is dead! Long live their impeached *King and *Queen!)
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