Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Japanese Official Warns of Fissures in North Korea(130 generals defected?)
NYT ^ | 11/22/04 | James Brooke

Posted on 11/22/2004 4:36:06 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Japanese Official Warns of Fissures in North Korea(130 generals defected?)

Japanese Official Warns of Fissures in North Korea

By JAMES BROOKE

Published: November 22, 2004

OKYO, Nov. 21 - After weeks of reports from North Korea of defecting generals, antigovernment posters and the disappearance of portraits of the country's ruler, the leader of Japan's governing party warned Sunday of the prospects of "regime change" in North Korea.

"As long as Chairman Kim Jong Il controls the government, we have to negotiate with him, but it is becoming more doubtful whether we will be able to achieve anything with this government," said Shinzo Abe, acting secretary general of the Liberal Democratic Party, on Fuji TV, referring to talks on North Korea's abductions of Japanese in the 1970's. "I think we should consider the possibility that a regime change will occur, and we need to start simulations of what we should do at that time."

By breaking an unspoken taboo on talking publicly about "regime change" in North Korea, the powerful Japanese politician underlined a feeling spreading in the region that cracks are starting to show in the Kim family's control over North Korea after nearly 60 years.

Hard intelligence is difficult to come by in North Korea, one of the world's most tightly controlled societies, where people are barred from sending letters abroad, making international telephone calls, emigrating or talking to foreigners without supervision. To dissuade defections, the government routinely imprisons relatives left behind.

But in recent months, there have been signs of fissures in these walls. There are indications that news is leaking out of North Korea by cellphone and that criticisms of the government are being posted in public places. Those developments and the angry response to recent legislation in the United States intended to flood the country with radios that can pick up foreign broadcasts suggest that the leadership realizes its one great achievement - near total information control - is threatened.

With the reports of Mr. Kim's portraits being removed from some public buildings and news of military defections, outside analysts are speculating that the personality cult around "Dear Leader" is being curbed, either to advance painful economic reforms or to head off a military coup fomented by China.

Persistent reports that anti-Kim leaflets and posters have recently appeared gained more credibility with the publication last Thursday in Sankei Shimbun, a conservative Tokyo newspaper, of what was described as a photograph of a hand-printed flyer smuggled out of North Korea.

"Juche philosophy made people slaves," it read, referring to the nationalist ideology of self-reliance created by Mr. Kim's father, Kim Il Sung, who died in 1994. "Juche philosophy created an absolutist hereditary kingdom, rather than one where the people are the main players."

"The Kims, father and son, made our people miserably poor and this country a world dropout that is far away from the situation of meat soup, a tile-roofed house and silk clothes that Kim Il Sung promised by 1957," it continued.

Douglas Shin, a Korean-American pastor who helps North Korean refugees flee through China, said his contacts told him that posters opposed to Kim Jong Il had appeared in three northern cities this fall. On Sunday, the Kyodo news agency of Japan reported that North Korea was cracking down on people in border cities who helped pass letters to foreigners or used cellphones to communicate with the outside world.

"Some residents have contacts with people in neighboring countries by hiding mobile phones in places with good reception, like tall buildings and hilltops," warns a North Korean document photographed by a Japanese aid group, Rescue the North Korean People Urgent Action Network. The group said the directive was published by the governing Workers Party of North Korea in November 2003.

Last spring, after a huge explosion narrowly missed Mr. Kim's armored train, the North Korean authorities banned most cellphones.

"Mobile phones have become a weapon in antigovernment movements," Lee Young Hwa, an assistant professor at Kansai University and a leader of the Japanese aid group, told Kyodo.

Analysts also say they have seen more high-level defections of late, possibly a result of more permeable borders and greater dissatisfaction.

In Seoul, an editor at Monthly Chosun, a magazine that closely follows North Korean affairs, said in an interview that when he was in northern China earlier this year, Chinese officials showed him North Korean wanted posters for generals who had managed to reach China with their families. The editor, who asked not to be identified, estimated that in recent years, 130 North Korean generals had defected to China, about 10 percent of the military elite.

Of this group, the most significant, he said, are four who have been integrated into active duty with the Chinese military in the Shenyang district, along the Korean border.

Last May, Lt. Gen. O Se Ok, a rising member of the military elite, left the North Korean port of Chongjin by boat, met a Japanese boat in the Sea of Japan and eventually made his way to the United States, according to NHK television of Japan and Kazuhiro Araki, a professor of Korean politics at Takushoku University in Japan. The general's 73-year-old father, O Kuk Ryol, ranked second on the Central Military Commission at the time, after Kim Jong Il.

"The defection of such a person was a great shock to the North Korean establishment," Professor Araki said.

During World War II, the Soviet Union armed a group of Korean exiles in Khabarovsk, just across the Amur River from what was then Japanese-controlled Manchuria. Among them was Kim Il Sung, who in 1945 was installed as the leader of Soviet-occupied northern Korea.

Now, the South Korean editor speculated, China may be forming a fallback plan should Kim Jong Il prove incapable of reforming or holding on to power. "The scenario the Chinese are looking into is to make a buffer regime through such North Korean general defectors," he said.

And then there is the mystery of the portraits, which disappeared this fall from some hotels, meeting halls and government buildings. In a country where mishandling the ruler's portrait has resulted in prison sentences, the change is believed to have required high-level authorization.

A North Korean diplomat who defected last year told the South Korean news agency Yonhap last Thursday that the embassy where he was posted received an order in early 2003 to remove the pictures.

"It was a direct order from Kim Jong Il, but no one, not even high-ranking officials had the nerve to follow the order, so the portraits continued to hang," Yonhap quoted the defector as saying.

Rüdiger Frank, who teaches East Asian political economy at the University of Vienna, wrote last week of his visit to North Korea in September. He said he "found no picture of any leader in my hotel room, as well as only Kim Il Sung's portrait in a conference room where just a few months before images of both father and son could be seen."

"An estimated 50 percent of all slogans in the capital read 'The Great Leader Kim Il Sung will always be with us,' hinting at a strong emphasis on the deceased founder" of North Korea "at the expense of his successor," he wrote in an essay posted on the Internet.

"Kim Jong Il might be resolving one of the most pressing issues in North Korean domestic politics: his succession," he continued. "We might be witnessing the first step out of many, which will eventually lead to the establishment of some kind of collective leadership in the D.P.R.K., in the name of Kim Il Sung," using the initials for North Korea's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Bradley K. Martin, author of a biography of Kim Jong Il, speculated that Mr. Kim might want to adopt a lower profile to avoid blame at home for North Korea's economic failures and to avoid "coming into the cross hairs of U.S. hawks, who were demonizing him the way they had demonized Saddam Hussein."

"Sooner or later, large numbers of North Koreans would hear that he was an object of derision to outsiders, would hear that the official version of his birth in a log cabin on Mount Paektu was false," Mr. Martin, wrote in an essay last week, alluding to the end of North Korea's information monopoly. "His admiring references to the Thai and Swedish systems in recent years suggested that Kim Jong Il was looking to transform the country into something like a limited monarchy rather than the absolute dictatorship it had become."

Meanwhile, North Korean officials insist that no change is under way.

Li Sang Su, an official with the Korea News Service, which distributes reports of the North Korean news agency in Japan, said the portrait change was merely a routine updating of images.

"They change the portraits after some years to new ones because the portraits get worn and the person gets older," he said.

On Friday, China's official New China News Agency carried an interview with a North Korean Foreign Ministry official, Ri Gyong Son, who attributed reports about the disappearing portraits to the United States and its allies who "want to overthrow" Mr. Kim.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: axisofevil; china; defection; fissure; flyer; generals; geopolitics; japan; napalminthemorning; nkorea; northeastasia; northkorea; pla; portrait; regimechange; religionofpeace; ronery; wot
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 141-144 next last
The editor, who asked not to be identified, estimated that in recent years, 130 North Korean generals had defected to China, about 10 percent of the military elite.

Of this group, the most significant, he said, are four who have been integrated into active duty with the Chinese military in the Shenyang district, along the Korean border.

Wow, this is an astonishing report!

Now, the South Korean editor speculated, China may be forming a fallback plan should Kim Jong Il prove incapable of reforming or holding on to power. "The scenario the Chinese are looking into is to make a buffer regime through such North Korean general defectors," he said.

Working on a pro-Chinese N. Korean regime in exile? With 130 N. Korean generals, four of whom now serve as PLA? Chinese plan must be well in progress.

1 posted on 11/22/2004 4:36:07 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; ...
You might find this very interesting!
2 posted on 11/22/2004 4:38:12 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

Excelent news. Hope it is true.


3 posted on 11/22/2004 4:39:34 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Booo Hooo Hooo ... The new liberal battle cry!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

Probably just got tired of tree bark soup; went to China for take-out.


4 posted on 11/22/2004 4:41:14 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Kevin Sites is an a**hole.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Kimmy: "There is no coup happening anywhere near me! I am perfectly sa--"


5 posted on 11/22/2004 4:42:40 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

Replacing one fear state with another doesn't do much, in the long term.


6 posted on 11/22/2004 4:43:13 AM PST by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

bump


7 posted on 11/22/2004 4:44:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: WestVirginiaRebel; All
Every time the guys from South Park teases a dictator, something happens to the dictator. Case in point Saddam.
8 posted on 11/22/2004 4:44:46 AM PST by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster
Bradley K. Martin, author of a biography of Kim Jong Il, speculated that Mr. Kim might want to adopt a lower profile to avoid blame at home for North Korea's economic failures and to avoid "coming into the cross hairs of U.S. hawks, who were demonizing him the way they had demonized Saddam Hussein."

HUH? How do you demonize a devil? And Kim is definitely a devil. He is scum of the earth who lives in completely luxury while the vast majority of the N. Koreans are starving. I would love to see a trial and execution of Kim.

9 posted on 11/22/2004 4:45:37 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

"With the reports of Mr. Kim's portraits being removed from some public buildings and news of military defections, outside analysts are speculating that the personality cult around "Dear Leader" is being curbed, either to advance painful economic reforms or to head off a military coup fomented by China."


The big daddy of all cults, bjclinton said only last year that all the mental 'Il' wants is respect.


10 posted on 11/22/2004 4:45:50 AM PST by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xzins; drstevej; Mark17; He Rides A White Horse; RnMomof7; Faith

Beseech the Lord of the harvest for NK......and for protection of the remnant therein.


11 posted on 11/22/2004 4:45:50 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster
You might find this very interesting!

Wow. One wonders how Kim hangs on.

How many more generals do they have?

12 posted on 11/22/2004 4:47:31 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: KevinDavis

Could you ask them to do a bit on Castro?


13 posted on 11/22/2004 4:50:46 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

Surely our super top secret spy folks are also listening in to all cel phone traffic. This is very interesting. Perhaps the generals see the writing on the wall? Get rid of Kim and the world will love them...


14 posted on 11/22/2004 4:51:02 AM PST by BillyCrockett
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Depends on what China's plans are and whether they can acheive peaceful change. Otherwise, it could be very ugly.


15 posted on 11/22/2004 4:52:24 AM PST by Arkie2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster
Considering this is from the NYSlimes I comment guardedly.

If this is a true depiction of the situation there it is a VERY dangerous time.

Desperate factions are likely to do anything to keep or gain power.

Pray for our servicemen and women in the area.

16 posted on 11/22/2004 4:52:55 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster

Tin foil hat on - hmm, he disappeared for months after the railway "accident" and only reappeared for short stints to prove he was alive. Now, the portraits are disappearing. Makes one wonder if he has departed this world and they're trying to slip in an imposter.


17 posted on 11/22/2004 5:00:10 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Arkie2; TigerLikesRooster
Depends on what China's plans are and whether they can acheive peaceful change. Otherwise, it could be very ugly.

Agree--noting that Japan issued "warning," anticipate alternative to peaceful power transition.

18 posted on 11/22/2004 5:02:17 AM PST by NautiNurse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster; Dog

Praying that this happens sooner rather than later.


19 posted on 11/22/2004 5:02:35 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TigerLikesRooster
four who have been integrated into active duty with the Chinese military

How does this fit into the Chinese rewriting of the Korean history?
20 posted on 11/22/2004 5:03:09 AM PST by AdmSmith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 141-144 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson