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Scowcroft: Sharon has "mesmerized" Bush "wrapped around his little finger"
IsraelInsider ^ | October 16, 2004

Posted on 10/16/2004 6:41:15 PM PDT by TopQuark

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To: TheDon

Why is it so easy for so many people to confuse worldwide Jewry with figures in the Israeli government?

I will never understand why criticism for one automatically equates to hatred for the other in some people's minds.

It is just not something that a clear-thinking person would do.


61 posted on 10/17/2004 12:06:30 PM PDT by josh24601
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To: josh24601

I have to agree. Of course, sometimes, as in this case, the bias is so obvious, it's hard to dismiss as relating only to the Israeli gov't, or a specific figure in the gov't.


62 posted on 10/17/2004 12:44:33 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I know this is getting off topic from "Scowcroft". But, I need to point out you "sourcing" FAS as if they are a legitimate Organization.

The FAS has always been associated with/as a FRONT for the Soviet/Marxist//// DNC.

Please note, I am note disputing their "findings".

63 posted on 10/17/2004 1:41:26 PM PDT by jungleboy
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To: TopQuark; SJackson; American in Israel
"He added: "When there is a suicide attack, Sharon calls the president and says, 'I'm on the front line of terrorism,' and the president says, 'Yes, you are ...' He [Sharon] has been nothing but trouble."

Scowcroft doesn't realize what a fool he is making of himself. He cites incontrovertible evidence that Israel is indeed on the front line of terrorism, and then he accuses of falling for it!!!

It should be remembered, however, that George Bush Sr. wasn't exactly friendly towards the Israelis. Neither was James Baker or Scowcroft. These are the very same people who let Saddam Hussein dictate the terms of his own surrender. Some of you may recall that one of Saddam's conditions required the US to jumpstart the so-called Middle East peace talks (aka surrender talks). The US went along with Saddam's demand and soon Arafat, who sided with Saddam Hussein during Gulf War I, was completely rehabilitated. And what did Arafat do with his clean slate? He squeezed as many concessions from Israel as he could during the "peace" conferences, and then proceeded to launch another wave of homicide bombings against Israel.
64 posted on 10/17/2004 3:11:38 PM PDT by MereChristian
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To: TopQuark

What do you advise, sCROWcroft? Sending Baker over to Israel to threaten "when you're ready to talk, give us a call" again? That sure worked out well when G.H.W. was running for re-election, didn't it?


65 posted on 10/17/2004 3:13:56 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
"That sure worked out well when G.H.W. was running for re-election, didn't it?"

Exactly! I'm convinced that GHW's treatment of Israel and the "Jewish Lobby" is one of the reasons he lost the second time around. They forgot (or didn't care) that there is a huge pro-Israel voting block of comprised of millions of Christians who didn't take kindly to their treatment of America's closest ally in the ME.
66 posted on 10/17/2004 3:43:17 PM PDT by MereChristian
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To: jungleboy
I know this is getting off topic from "Scowcroft". But, I need to point out you "sourcing" FAS as if they are a legitimate Organization.

I am not the poster who cited FAS.

The FAS has always been associated with/as a FRONT for the Soviet/Marxist//// DNC.

I suspected as much when I posted the link to their homepage; indeed, I did so because I thought it made their biases obvious.

67 posted on 10/17/2004 3:43:53 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: independentmind

"I'm surprised at this coming from the national security adviser to Bush Sr. I thought the Bushes valued loyalty above all else."

I think Bush I and Scowcroft are pretty close to being of the same mind when it comes to Israel. Bush I, however, will maintain silence on the issue because it's his son in the oval office. But make no mistake, unless he has had a change of heart, Bush I is none to happy about his son warming up to Sharon.


68 posted on 10/17/2004 3:53:24 PM PDT by MereChristian
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To: MereChristian
It's fair to say that in contrast the GWB, GHB was among the most hostile Presidents toward Israel, along with Carter and perhaps Eisenhower. Arafat was pleased at GWB's election, in his early statements hoping that GWB would follow in the path of his father. Another of Yasser's many miscalculations.
69 posted on 10/17/2004 4:12:11 PM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson

"It's fair to say that in contrast the GWB, GHB was among the most hostile Presidents toward Israel, along with Carter and perhaps Eisenhower. Arafat was pleased at GWB's election, in his early statements hoping that GWB would follow in the path of his father. Another of Yasser's many miscalculations."

Don't worry, I am sure the EU/UN/Russia are working overtime to rectify the situation.


70 posted on 10/17/2004 5:01:35 PM PDT by MereChristian
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To: TopQuark

Scocroft is a little piece of excrement, a Wahhabist traitor in patriot's clothing. When he passes from this world, I will be most gratified.


71 posted on 10/17/2004 5:32:18 PM PDT by montag813
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To: dennisw
General Sharon is a 10 foot tall Titan compared to this pipsqueak punk Scowcroft. I'll match Ariel Sharon military record any time against Scowcroft's

Scowcroft has no "military record" aside from shuffling papers, whereas Sharon's tank tactics against Egypt in the 1973 war are required study at the Army War College to this very day.

Scowcroft, Eagleberger, Carlucci and Baker are bought and paid for by their Saudi masters. In another time, they would all have been locked away or shot.

72 posted on 10/17/2004 5:36:16 PM PDT by montag813
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To: TopQuark
he warned U.S. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice that this is a ruse to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state

That's the general idea. Anyone who thinks Bush really wants such a terrorist entity is an imbicile, as "General" Scowcroft clearly is.

73 posted on 10/17/2004 5:37:44 PM PDT by montag813
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To: TopQuark
I will support Israel and its right to exist and its right to defend itself until my last breath.

Israel, Mother of The Messiah The Lord Jesus Christ.

Israel, the only nation who's borders are defined by God almighty.

Yes those who oppose Israel are being led by the spirit of the antichrist.

Long Live Israel and long live the United States of America !!!

74 posted on 10/17/2004 5:43:12 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: TopQuark
"It's da JOOOOOOZ!"


...and what percentage of American Jews will vote with these wannabe Nazis?!
75 posted on 10/17/2004 5:43:21 PM PDT by Redcloak (Vikings plundered my last tag line.)
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To: TheDon

Well, I reread the article after reading of the bias you talk about, but the only thing that the article says is that Ariel Sharon, specifically, has Bush "wrapped around his finger." It really is clear that Scowcroft is saying that Bush is personally very impressed (Scowcroft believes obviously too impressed) with the individual human Ariel Sharon, and that for whatever reason, is subordinate to Sharon.

Again, people seem very willing to replace the word "Sharon" with the word "the Jews." And it's a small step from "The Jews" to "The Jewish Conspiracy", etc. There's only one problem, Scowcroft was speaking about Bush's relationship with Sharon, and as far as I can see, didn't comment at all about worldwide Jewry.

It's like saying "Bill Clinton is a monster." That, of course, does not mean "Americans are monsters." It means what it says, that Bill Clinton is. One could easily see, however, supporters of Clinton twisting the phrase and saying "Hey, don't speak about Americans like that, you America-hater."

What it does is betray the motives of the defender. Rather than respond to the issue raised (Bush's willingness to overlook Sharon's breaks with the wishes of the administration) and turn it into one of worldwide persecution of an entire race of people, well, it feels like I'm listening to a campaign manager after a debate....

It is quite disingenuous to say the least, and in my opinion is in fact more racist than anything Scowcroft actually said (as, again, he was speaking about a specific person, not a race of people).


76 posted on 10/17/2004 11:28:32 PM PDT by josh24601
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To: josh24601

Surely, if Scowcroft were anti-semetic, you aren't suggesting that he would make openly anti-semetic comments? Of course, I only stated that his statements sounded anti-semetic.

As you say, there are those who jump too quickly to the conclusion that someone is being anti-semetic. But then again, there are those who refuse to believe someone is being anti-semetic. There are even those who deny the Holocaust happened. Not that I would place you in such a category. But, there is a large continuum in between. It is important to consider various explanations for Scowcroft's comments.


77 posted on 10/18/2004 8:07:33 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: TopQuark; SJackson; Alouette
"Sharon just has him wrapped around his little finger," Scowcroft said. "I think the president is mesmerized." He added: "When there is a suicide attack, Sharon calls the president and says, 'I'm on the front line of terrorism,' and the president says, 'Yes, you are ...' He [Sharon] has been nothing but trouble."

Only an Arabist could think that Israel isn't on the front line of terrorism. Scowcroft is a tool.

78 posted on 10/18/2004 8:11:16 AM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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To: TheDon

Holy Moly, I suppose if you criticize Ariel Sharon, you are anti-Semitic until proven otherwise, huh???

Jeeze.

I wonder, if Scowcroft had said "Those Jewish protesters over in Israel that demonstrate against Sharon are really nuts," would he similarly be anti-Semitic???

Or is that a charge reserved only for those that criticize Israeli Likuds in power alligned with George Bush?

Think about it.


79 posted on 10/18/2004 11:28:13 AM PDT by josh24601
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To: josh24601

LOL! My original comment was intended only as a point of consideration. You seem intent on making it something else. Scowcroft's comments are most likely only an attempt on Scowcroft's part to get some press in this election year. The MSM is always ready to publish anyone with critical views of President Bush. It is interesting that Scowcroft picked a target that he knew he could make disparaging comments about, without having to worry about a charge of anti-semiticism coming from the MSM. After all, being critical of Israelis is not the same as being critical of Jews, right?


80 posted on 10/18/2004 12:28:23 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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