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Hurricane Center Off Target
Tampa Tribune Online | 8/16/04 | tbpiper

Posted on 08/16/2004 11:08:09 AM PDT by tbpiper

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To: brothers4thID
Next he'll be wanting us to predict the exact paths of tornadoes.

That's been doable for years. Just draw a line connecting all the mobile home parks in the county.

61 posted on 08/16/2004 12:16:01 PM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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To: Skywarner
They did say that the probability was highest there, but that the entire region was at risk. I did, however, happen to notice on Friday that some of the local news talking heads were acting like the decree had been made - Tampa was it.

Tampa is a large market, so news media keeps saying it's going to hit there to get larger ratings.

62 posted on 08/16/2004 12:17:58 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: rwfromkansas

Maybe Mr. Wilkinson should see just how tough it is and show how good he is at predicting in the Hurricane Hunt contest over at WxChat.com. The results for Charley aren't in yet, but let's see what a group of Met's and weather types were able to accurately forecast.


63 posted on 08/16/2004 12:20:13 PM PDT by Right_Handed_Writer (Once you take away what is right...What's LEFT?)
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To: Skywarner

you are exactly correct. I am from the florida coastline, about 65 miles north of where charlie entered the atlantic ocean. We had some heavy wind and rain in my area, but as always, I am and was prepaired for the worst, thank goodness it was an easy night.

Part of living in florida is learning how to respect the intensity of mother nature during the summer to fall months, most everyone I know tracks all hurricaines, and has multiple contengency plans incase of an emergency.

All of the west coast except for the panhandle was under a hurricane warning! Not just the Tampa area! But you know how it goes, there will always be people that have to blame someone or something else for their own failings...including their failings to have a contengency plan for a hurricane that snuck up on no one!


64 posted on 08/16/2004 12:29:31 PM PDT by sober libertarian (I'm John Kerry, and I Approved This Rhetoric)
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To: dirtboy
"This guy has to be a Democrat."

He could use a class in probability theory also. As I recall, the huricane made landfall within the cone of impact probability. The forcasters continually update the probabilities that the hurricane will make landfall within 50 miles,I think it is, of some place. Because it didn't impact exactly at the place of highest probability doesn't mean that the forcasters failed.

65 posted on 08/16/2004 12:35:19 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: tbpiper

Here's the only hurricane forecast the matters:

If you live along the U.S. Gulf or Atlantic coasts, you may be hit by a hurricane or tropical storm between June and November every single year.

Furthermore, if you choose to build a home in this region, it may be destroyed at any given moment by a storm.

In the event of a hurricane or tropical storm formation, the National Weather Center will track the storm and updates will be posted constantly.

If a storm approaches your area - GET OUT!

Mulling over the exact landfall location down to the mile may cost you precious time.

Relying on humans to predict the storm's intensity may prove inaccurate, as meteorologists do NOT - repeat DO NOT - control the storm.

A trailer house ain't gonna cut it.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.


66 posted on 08/16/2004 12:35:54 PM PDT by Don Simmons (The Land of Freedom: Freedom to do as you please and take down others with you.)
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To: MEGoody
...."However, the actions of the National Hurricane Center need to be questioned and scrutinized"....

What a crock. Apparently, this idiot has never watched the weather forecasters discuss how difficult it is to accurately forecast the exact path of a hurricane. Why does this fool think they forecast using a 'cone' to show potential areas of landfall?

Do you think that he believes in Global Warming?

67 posted on 08/16/2004 12:38:59 PM PDT by wbill
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To: dirtboy

"Check out this maroon."

Yah. Yet another idiot doing some Monday-morning quarterbacking.

The folks in the area that WAS hit were warned also to evacuate. Many did not, sadly.

I've just moved to Minnesota. If the tornado warning sirens go off, I'm heading for the basement. If the storm passes, leaving me unscathed, I'll be very glad. I certainly won't blame the weather service for my good fortune.

This guy needs a common-sense transplant.

Oddly enough, though, I heard similar nonsense during the live threads.


68 posted on 08/16/2004 12:41:01 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Moonman62; Skywarner
Tampa is a large market, so news media keeps saying it's going to hit there to get larger ratings.

Part of it was to get people out of Tampa. If this thing had struck that area, we'b be looking at 100 billion+ in damage and many more people would have been affected.

Tampa NWS unfortunately issued an extremely ominous statement on Friday at 11am. By that time, they should have had a very good idea that it was staying south of them.

69 posted on 08/16/2004 12:42:33 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: Don Simmons

Probably ought to post that next to the "Welcome to Florida" sign.


70 posted on 08/16/2004 12:47:31 PM PDT by tbpiper (Michael Moore…..the Erich von Däniken of political documentary)
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To: tbpiper
Imagine not being able to track a hurricane that increases to a Cat 4 from a Cat 2 in a matter of hours. Imagine not being able to track a squirrely hurricane when it changes track every few minutes. What an idiot this guy is. I agree with you.
Not only do we have to suffer the aftermath of a major hurricane, we have to suffer fools like this.

Red

71 posted on 08/16/2004 12:50:16 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I love the 1st Amendment...I can call Clinton an idiot.)
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To: aShepard

DITTO!


72 posted on 08/16/2004 12:51:31 PM PDT by houeto
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To: tbpiper

I demand the President declare Florida a Hurricane Free Zone IMMEDIATELY! /sarcasm


73 posted on 08/16/2004 12:54:26 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: tbpiper

Tom,

I'm with you!


74 posted on 08/16/2004 12:59:13 PM PDT by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: wbill
"Do you think that he believes in Global Warming?"

Morons like this think everything is Bush's fault (and a result of global warming, which is, of course, Bush's fault).

75 posted on 08/16/2004 1:13:59 PM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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To: nwctwx

I read satire into this guy's letter.
Yo,mr nwctwx, seem to have weather in your name as well as in your interests.


76 posted on 08/16/2004 1:50:20 PM PDT by larryjohnson (Ret USAF weather officer/engineer)
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To: aShepard
....."At worst, the forecasters of the National Hurricane Center may have been criminally incompetent. ".......... Well, that's it then. Close the center. No need to even try to predict the unpredictable if its going to result in this kind of reaction.

This man is clueless - Its impossible to predict with pinpoint accuracy where a hurricane will hit land. There's a zone of probability (as dirtboy pointed out) that is given, and evacuations are based on that.

77 posted on 08/16/2004 1:54:36 PM PDT by meyer
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To: nwctwx

yo=you


78 posted on 08/16/2004 1:54:39 PM PDT by larryjohnson (Ret USAF weather officer/engineer)
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To: tbpiper

From my perspective up here in MA, the weather information handed out by the hurricane center seemed to be right on target. The fact that the hurricane seemed to almost turn into a tornado couldn't have been foreseen. It's a minute by minute storm. And that's why they call them 'weather forecasters'. They did the best they could with computer modeling unavailable in earlier years. The fact that Charley acted unlike any storm they'd had in forty years should be taken into consideration.


79 posted on 08/16/2004 1:57:11 PM PDT by hershey
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To: nwctwx
re: post #39 - very good information. It looks like, contrary to popular (or populist) belief, the forecasters did well above average at predicting this thing.

It would be great if this information made it to the Tampa Tribune as a rebuttal.

80 posted on 08/16/2004 2:02:05 PM PDT by meyer
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