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Senator Tells TSA: Arm Pilots or Lose Funding
Cybercast News Service. ^ | April 02, 2004 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 04/02/2004 10:02:05 AM PST by neverdem


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Senator Tells TSA: Arm Pilots or Lose Funding
By Robert B. Bluey
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
April 02, 2004

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Frustrated by the Transportation Security Administration's delay in arming airline pilots with guns, four members of Congress said Thursday they want the agency to quit dragging its feet.

"We're not interested in any excuses from here on out. This is too important to our national security," said Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), who introduced legislation that would require TSA to speed up the process of arming pilots.

click to enlargeBunning was joined by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) and Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), who is sponsoring a companion bill in the House. But it was the Kentucky senator who had the harshest words for TSA.

"They'll get the message or they'll lose their money for the program," Bunning said. "We'll put it somewhere where it will get the job done."

Congress passed the federal flight deck officer program in November 2002 in hopes of making airline pilots the last line of defense against hijackings. A year later lawmakers added cargo pilots to the program.

But, as a CNSNews.com investigation found, TSA has made the program cumbersome and discouraging for pilots. According to Wilson, less than 1 percent of the 40,000 pilots who signed up to participate have been trained.

Pilots have complained about the way federal flight deck officers must transport their firearms - in lockboxes, except inside the cockpit; TSA-administered background investigations, psychological exams and the release of personal information; and the remote location of the program's single training facility in Artesia, N.M.

"To have an agency that is unelected, that is sitting on legislation like this and not doing it is absolutely wrong," Boxer said. "In essence, TSA is turning its back on a law that is the law of the land."

Added Bunning, "It's not up to them to like the legislation. It's up to them to implement the legislation that the Congress passed."

When asked to respond Thursday, a TSA spokeswoman requested that CNSNews.com submit written questions. The agency had not responded to the inquiry as of Thursday evening.

The lawmakers at Thursday's gathering on Capitol Hill stressed that TSA already has the authority to properly implement the law. But they said that clearly isn't happening, given the complaints from pilots and the small number who have successfully completed the training.

"This could be done administratively by TSA," Wilson said. "All we're trying to do is really push what should already occur."

The bill, called the "Cockpit Security Technical Corrections and Improvement Act," makes a number of changes that would speed up the process of arming pilots and tear down the barriers that turn off pilots from ever applying.

Not only would pilots have to be trained within 90 days, but it would also allow pilots with a military or law enforcement background to be armed immediately.

The TSA would have to open more training facilities and use private training facilities for recurrent training, according to the bill. The agency would be responsible for picking up the tab for the pilots' travel expenses.

The legislation would also end the use of lockboxes, allow pilots to carry a gun outside the cockpit and let them pass through security like other law enforcement officers. Pilots could sue the TSA if the agency violates the law.

"As airline pilots, our fundamental mission remains the same: get our passengers, our crew, our cargo safely to its destination," said David Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance. "It is unfortunate, but nevertheless true, that fulfilling that mission now requires new tools, including an armed cockpit."

Representatives from the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations, Astar Air Cargo and the Law Enforcement Alliance for America were also on hand to offer their support.

Bunning, citing an urgent need for the legislation, promised to take the matter up with the Senate Commerce Committee immediately.

"It is a gaping hole in our national security, particularly for those who fly on a daily basis or a weekly basis," Bunning said. "And we're all, the people here in this Congress, on that schedule. So it isn't just for us, but it's for all the daily commuters and fliers that we plug this big hole."

And for someone like Boxer, who flies frequently to her home state of California, the issue transcends her typical alignment with gun-control proponents. Both the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Gun Owners of America are strong proponents of the legislation.

"We're not just going to sit quietly by," Boxer said. "This whole program was meant to make sure that what happened on 9/11 never happens again. This is a plan that is a very important part of that never happening again. And they're not executing it. And we've pretty much had it."

See Earlier Story:
Thousands of Pilots Won't Fly Armed, Blame TSA
(Jan. 15, 2004)

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Tennessee; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinepilots; airlinesecurity; armedpilots; bang; banglist; ffdo; secondamendment; tsa
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To: Sloth
LOL
21 posted on 04/02/2004 11:08:38 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
I'm curious about whether airlines have changed their official policy of "accommodate, negotiate and do not escalate" with hijackers.
22 posted on 04/02/2004 11:30:11 AM PST by an amused spectator (FR: Leaving the burning dog poop bag of Truth on the front door step of the liberal media since 1996)
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To: tcuoohjohn
One pilot and one co-pilot armed with .45 ACP semi-auto handguns would probably have easily defeated five islamofascist terrorists armed with box-cutters. But, yeah arming pilots is a stupid idea.

I hope nobody ever puts you in charge of security anywhere.
23 posted on 04/02/2004 11:32:25 AM PST by VRWCmember ("Dukakis" was Greek for "Mondale", and "Kerry" is French for "Dukakis"!)
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To: neverdem
This is the only time I've ever agreed with Boxer that I can remember. Will wonders ever cease?

Barbara Boxer can read the polls, and she knows that even within California her extreme anti-gun positions gain her nothing (since she's already got the liberal vote locked up) and just energize her opponents. So she's found an issue on which she can agree with the pro-gun folks and she's running with it.

It's a smart political move. And she deserves our applause on this narrow issue. After all, that's how we have to shift the political calculus for politicians. We have to make it politically undesirable for them to oppose the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and politically rewarding for them to support RKBA.

Given the right carrot-and-stick combination, we may be able to keep moving Boxer in our direction. She won't do so out of principles or conviction, but out of political expediency. That's still better than nothing. And she's going to be in the U.S. Senate for at least another six years, since Bill Jones has approximately zero chance of upsetting her.

24 posted on 04/02/2004 11:51:15 AM PST by dpwiener
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Bump
25 posted on 04/02/2004 12:00:15 PM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Yeah, but that would also hurt or kill dozens of passengers. Armed pilot only kills the terrorists. It isn't like he is needed to fly the plane except on landing and takeoff anyway.
26 posted on 04/02/2004 12:06:06 PM PST by LonghornFreeper
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To: neverdem
We have a huge federal law enforcement training center near Savannah,GA, another just outside DC.

We have tens of thousands of pilots who are former military, current reserve LEOs, etc. A quick background check can be done in less than 72 hours... less than 10 minutes in an emergency.

The psyc checks? We already trust these men and women to fly 400 people and 400,000 pound guided missiles, what more is needed?

Lockbox. Why? If weapon is stolen, how long would it take any street perp to break into any locked box? If not stolen, what's the problem?

Idiocy. Typical government-organized, taxpayer-funded idiocy!
27 posted on 04/02/2004 12:27:45 PM PST by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, news first, fast, 5 minutes sooner, stay tuned to FReeper Radio!)
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To: Hodar; neverdem
Boxer supported arming pilots back when the idea was first introduced. Not even the Gnome from the North could justify keeping pilots, and thus their passengers, defenseless after 9-11.
28 posted on 04/02/2004 12:45:06 PM PST by Redcloak (Over 13,000 served.)
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To: VRWCmember
Know what is better than a .45 ACP?..A hijacker who can't even get to the cockpit because he is hanging on for dear life and puking his guts out. As soon as he stops puking he will be in custody.
29 posted on 04/02/2004 12:46:33 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: neverdem
It's always a shock to think that there are Federal employees who find an American with a gun to be more threatening than an Islamist with a bomb.
30 posted on 04/02/2004 12:47:08 PM PST by Redcloak (Over 13,000 served.)
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To: OXENinFLA
There is: she's up for reelection in a state that just gave 63% of it's votes to Republicans in the Recall.

And she's against somebody who's won statewide twice before who has Gov. Arnold as a campaign tool.

31 posted on 04/02/2004 12:47:22 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: neverdem
She's my home state Senator... She has an anti-gun record as long as her arm but in an election year, it doesn't hurt to take on the bureaucrats. The TSA needs to be made to get the message and I don't care who gets the political credit for it as long as our nation's pilots are finally armed.
32 posted on 04/02/2004 12:48:46 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: LonghornFreeper
Not if they are sitting down and strapped in. They are going to be terrified and puking their guts out right along with the would be hijackers and will curse the day the pilot was born. When they land they will bless him and praise his mother next to the Virgin Mary.
33 posted on 04/02/2004 12:49:18 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: freeeee
I wasn't tried in any of the four flights. Against company policy to perform evasive maneuvers in Civilan aircraft. It might upset the passengers. It is not against company policy now. Current training modules include pos g and neg g cycles.
34 posted on 04/02/2004 12:56:04 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Good thinking! Then the airlines could pay for all the lawsuits that would follow. The simple thing to do is head for the nearest auxiliary airport and if they break into the cockpit shoot the sh*t out of them.
35 posted on 04/02/2004 1:07:25 PM PST by dljordan
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To: tcuoohjohn
It wasn't tried in any of the four flights.

You have no idea if it was even possible.

Against company policy to perform evasive maneuvers in Civilan aircraft.

That is absolutely hilarious! You really think they gave a damn about that?!

It might upset the passengers.

Oh stop, my sides hurt from laughing.

tcuoohjohn, allow me to educate you about something called 'the funnel of death'. Any time someone has to go through a small opening such as a door or window, they pass through this. During this time they are extremely vulnerable to being shot, in fact it's almost 100% probable if those on the other side know the assailants are coming which is a certainty in a hijacking.

The beauty of the 'funnel of death' is the person doing the shooting doesn't need be a trained marksman. Anyone with even average eye/hand coordination (pilots) can do it with only enough training to be proficient with their weapon.

What does this all mean? It means that NO ONE is going to survive charging a cockpit containing an armed pilot.

Do you know what happens now if an airliner is hijacked? It is blown from the sky by our own military, killing everyone on board. Now you tell me, what damage can a handgun to that an air to air missile can't?

tcuoohjohn, whether you know it or not you most certainly favor armed pilots taking out hijacked airliners, only the ones you like look like this...


36 posted on 04/02/2004 1:14:15 PM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: neverdem
"To have an agency that is unelected, that is sitting on legislation like this and not doing it is absolutely wrong," Boxer said. "In essence, TSA is turning its back on a law that is the law of the land."

Which doesn't bother her a bit when the EPA or the FDA or the IRS do it.

37 posted on 04/02/2004 1:33:10 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: My2Cents
OR maybe,
she's afraid of going down in a flaming wreck...

those burning corpses yesterday in fallujah serve to remind the reticent what mentality we are up against.

btw... discharging a 357 in an airplane won't wreck the plane.
it's just clattertrap for the anti gunners.

they are afraid that americans will once again discover... an armed to the TEETH citizenry of committed Americans, is the best security money CANNOT buy.

an army of 100 million armed patriots... would go a long way to "pacify" would be terrorists, theifs, robbers and criminals in general.
38 posted on 04/02/2004 1:37:27 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Sloth
roflmao... nice er...
shot.
39 posted on 04/02/2004 1:38:47 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Yous meds need updating john.
40 posted on 04/02/2004 1:44:55 PM PST by cynicom
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