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Same-Sex Marriage for Kids
Human Events Online ^ | March 18, 2004 | Chris Field

Posted on 03/18/2004 10:38:54 AM PST by bigsky

The debate over homosexual marriage has gone on loudly in this nation for a while now, and the Leftists in the establishment media, specifically those in the newspaper industry, have made their biases known to the world -- from the front page to the editorial page. But yesterday the Washington Post declared a new frontline in this cultural battle -- KidsPost

KidsPost, as you might be able to discern from the title, is the page in the Washington Post dedicated to news for kids, providing issues of the day written in a way that they will understand. For example, today's KidsPost covers March Madness, Tuesday's KidsPost looked at what's going on at the National Zoo in D.C., and Monday's KidsPost was about children in Indonesia going to school.

What was Wednesday's KidsPost about? Gay marriage. The page contained two articles on the subject by Fern Shen: "Defining Marriage" and "What's Best for Kids?"

"Defining Marriage" offered a look at the life of a 10-year-old boy, Justin McGuire, who, along with his infant half-sister, is being raised by his mother and her lesbian partner. In it Shen labels the mother's partner as "Justin's other mother" and writes that though Justin lives with his "two mothers" he also sees his father on the weekends. Shen notes that "Justin says it doesn't feel like a big deal, being in this kind of household."

The author goes on to write that "Justin doesn't understand how come his parents can't get married. They consider themselves married, but they would like to be legally married. They'd like to have a wedding. And Justin really wants to be the ring bearer."

According to Shen, "families like Justin's are not unique. The 2000 Census counted 15,000 same-sex couples in the Washington area and 600,000 nationwide. Still, a majority of Americans remain uncomfortable with the idea of same-sex marriage." KidsPost does not mention whether these "common" families include two children -- a 10-year-old boy and an infant girl.

Shen goes on to lecture the young readers of KidsPost that "People who are against [gay marriage] say it would weaken traditional marriages and society as a whole if same-sex marriage were made legal. Many religions also teach that marriage is only between a man and a woman."

The author subsequently notes in "What's Best for Kids?" which religions are offering such teaching: "Roman Catholics, Orthodox Jews, traditional Muslims and some Protestants." She does not, however, mention any religions that teach marriage to be between anything other than a man and a woman. Shen mentions that some ministers and rabbis are performing ceremonies for homosexuals, but fails to concede that that does not mean that Christianity (Catholicism or Protestantism) considers gay marriage permissible.

The article also goes on to blame our culture for not allowing homosexual marriage: "For at least 2,000 years, Western societies have considered lifelong marriage between one man and one woman to be the ideal arrangement for families and children." ("Why the reference to the last 2,000 years?" you ask. Well, what significant religious event happened 2,000 years ago and serves as the basis of one of the world greatest religions? Hint: see The Passion.)

As KidsPost criticizes Western Civilization and the United States' Judeo-Christian heritage in its own ways, it argues (subtlety, of course) for a change in the law. How? By letting Justin's fellow 10-year-olds know that he told Maryland lawmakers his feelings about letting his moms get married, and that he thinks "if his parents and others like them could marry" then "maybe people would see that his family is like any other."

Interestingly, Fern Shen fails to mention that most Americans not only are "uncomfortable" with same-sex marriage, but still oppose it by a margin of almost 2-to-1, as revealed by a recent Gallup report titled "Opposition to Legalized Same-Sex Marriage Steady."

So, since liberals like those at the Post can't get most adult Americans on their side by presenting some sort of reasoned debate, they are going after their kids. If only they can get the kids to buy into it . . .


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To: Tom of Texas
Yeah but, there's no sense in hiding it from kids. Homosexuality exists. I don't think raising our kids in a bubble is the answer.

Actually, I like the "greenhouse theory" of raising kids.

Children are delicate and impressionable new life.

Protecting them from the real world does help them to grow into strong adults and then they have the strength and balance to handle adult issues.

Of course, it's impossible to completely hide things like homosexuality from them, but all they need to know is a very basic definition and then they should get back to the things children should be doing to grow healthily: learning and playing, and being surrounded by unconditional love.

They will learn the rest soon enough.

21 posted on 03/18/2004 11:01:30 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Always finish what you st)
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To: bigsky
Queers don't procreate; they recruit. What better way than to desensitize children on the practice.
22 posted on 03/18/2004 11:02:06 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I don't have kids, but I always laugh when I hear some idiot say "you shouldn't shelter your kids!"

Why shouldn't parents shelter their kids from this culture?

I would say if you're NOT sheltering them, you're doing a very poor job of raising them.
23 posted on 03/18/2004 11:02:12 AM PST by Guillermo (Kerry, Zapatero, Chirac and Schroeder support granting Al Qaeda a seat on the UN Security Council.)
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To: fml
As the moderators.

But, I suspect they didn't want a troll who signed up today to push the homosexual agenda, especially when the topic concerns influencing children.
24 posted on 03/18/2004 11:02:37 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Much of your pain is self-chosen. --- Kahlil Gibran)
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To: fml
Because some troll who signed up 8 seconds ago was spewing the homosexual agenda.

25 posted on 03/18/2004 11:03:49 AM PST by Guillermo (Kerry, Zapatero, Chirac and Schroeder support granting Al Qaeda a seat on the UN Security Council.)
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To: bigsky
Queers don't procreate; they recruit. What better way than to desensitize children on the practice.
26 posted on 03/18/2004 11:06:34 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Guillermo
The story is From Human Events.



27 posted on 03/18/2004 11:06:49 AM PST by Redcoat LI ( "help to drive the left one into the insanity.")
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

More on the radical homosexuals targeting children.

Kids need protection from sexual deviancy, not immersion in it.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
28 posted on 03/18/2004 11:08:24 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: sr4402
My lesbian neighbor in the trailer down the road has 3 children. She is a terrible mother. She presents herself as a teenage hoodlum. A male teenage hoodlum. She wears sagging jeans, a pocketwatch, has a mouth out of the ghetto and lives with another woman (when she can stay out of jail). My wife spoke briefly with her last time her lover was being released and the onus of her conversation was that "I'm sending the kids to their aunt's and I'm gonna get me some tonight!" She's recently out of jail herself on methamphetamine charges.

Her children --

The oldest is a 12 year old male. He's a hoodlum like his mother. He has no respect and pushes his two younger sisters around, curses them and hits them often. He is hateful and has been institutionalized a couple of times for his anger.

His two younger sisters fare slightly better. They are 11 and 9. Both have horrible butch haircuts, dress pitifully and come to my home seeking food often. They are not underfed, but they are malnourished.

Our hearts go out to these children, even the hoodlum boy. We know that with love and parenting, and perhaps a consistent male role model, they could be relatively normal. They have 3 different fathers and none of the kids has seen theirs since long before christmas. We offer nothing but kindness when we see them, but there's no way we can improve their situation. I can assure you that allowing this woman to marry her partner on a weekend pass from the hoosegow will not help. She obviously had no taste in men prior to lesbianizing, and has no taste in women now. I don't know if there is any hope for this bunch......

29 posted on 03/18/2004 11:10:51 AM PST by Doctor Notes (Mississippi takes the cake (and eats it too))
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To: bigsky
"maybe people would see that his family is like any other."

Bull-Corn! Homosexuality is the result of childhood sexual abuse. Most normal folks know that homosexuality:


30 posted on 03/18/2004 11:10:52 AM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: bigsky
People who think kids should be brought into the debate on how adults have sex and how marriage is defined tend to be appalled when other people want kids to debate the origin of the universe.

Anyway, the simplistic "logic" of "I like it therefore it's good" ignores the fact that there are other living arrangements and lifestyle choices that the gov't does not officially recognize. All behavior is not equal. Pornography is legal, but we do not stock it in our libraries. Smoking is legal but we frequently ban it in public places. Many kids have one parent in jail. Should we make them feel better about their situation by forcing other kids to think incarceration is just another lifestyle choice? No, we accept and love the kid inspite of his parent(s). We do not throw a cheating spouse in jail, but we do not offer him a group or dual marriage license either. If we are going to "tolerate" homosexuality (something increasingly looking like a mistake) then it should be on that level.

This kid's parents can of course marry. They do not want to. The kid's mother can have perverted sex and be proud of it in front of her kid thanks to the Supreme Court. But it ceases to be about privacy when the public must put a stamp of approval on it. The lie that Lawrence was all about privacy couldn't be more clear. I wonder why the media misses it.

31 posted on 03/18/2004 11:25:33 AM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: Doctor Notes
Those poor kids. This probably has WAY more to do with the choice of lesbianism than with her methamphetamine abuse. Lesbianism is a slippery slope.
32 posted on 03/18/2004 11:26:03 AM PST by jojodamofo
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To: jojodamofo
These kids are embarrassed about their mother's lifestyle. They are quick to say that she's innocent on the methamphetamine charges.. wrong place wrong time... and they talk about general stuff going on at their house... but I've never heard any of them mention mom's "Girlfriend" or that she's a "Lesbian"... They're embarrassed and don't want to talk about it. Wouldn't you be?
33 posted on 03/18/2004 11:32:53 AM PST by Doctor Notes (Mississippi takes the cake (and eats it too))
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To: Terriergal
...when kids are forming their views on sexuality, to be stuck in a homosexual household can be damaging.

Thanks for using the words "forming their views on sexuality" rather than "sexual orientation", it brings up a good point I'd like to make.

When it comes to the kids growing up in heterosexual households, who themselves are (or will in all probability be) heterosexually oriented, what do we want them to do regarding a classmate who is living in a same-sex two-adult household? How do we want them to treat such classmates? Calling them "fags" and "dykes" because of what their parental figures do is not going to make things any better for anyone. It damages both the kids being called names, and the kids feeling peer pressure to join in the ridicule.

How do we teach kids to respect their peers who come from "different" households? Whether or not you hold the parental figures responsible for the kids' living arrangements, you cannot support ridicule of the children. I can't think of any religious position that disapproves of homosexuality that also supports using kids to send their classmates home in tears.

What would be the best way to teach all kids to respect each other in school? I don't think this KidsPost article is a bad step in that direction. Any official condemnation of homosexual households only stigmatizes the kids who live in those households. Even ignoring the existance of these households seems to invalidate the kids that come from them.

Can't we separate the issue of tolerance of homosexuality from the issue of tolerance and acceptance of kids who come from homosexual households?

34 posted on 03/18/2004 11:35:30 AM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
Teaching kids kindness and acceptance of the kids who do come from homosexual households is certainly the right thing to do.

It's when the realization of the differences, and the knowledge that the others frown upon the living choices of the adults in their homes, is when defensiveness rears its ugly head. I am pretty sure the couple living in a same sex relationship is not teaching the same acceptance, rather toughening up their youngsters so they will eventually defend their way of life.
35 posted on 03/18/2004 11:48:11 AM PST by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: Redcoat LI
The troll was from Human Events?
36 posted on 03/18/2004 11:49:25 AM PST by Guillermo (Kerry, Zapatero, Chirac and Schroeder support granting Al Qaeda a seat on the UN Security Council.)
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To: fml
I am pretty sure the couple living in a same sex relationship is not teaching the same acceptance, rather toughening up their youngsters so they will eventually defend their way of life.

I would suppose that the same-sex couple is teaching their kids to be strong in the face of peer predjudice, somewhat like kids of mixed race parents have had to do for decades. If gay parents teach their kids that straight people are sometimes hateful, why should the rest of us play into that?

Perhaps its not fair that the schools are the dumping ground for our social problems, but that's just the way its been for a long time. Many kids don't learn how to get along with others from their homes, so in order to avoid everything from playground fights to Columbine massacres, the schools have to make an attempt to teach civility.

Why not just have teaching that emphasizes that different kids come from different households, and its OK to believe that the way your household does it is right for you, while its not OK to ridicule another person for the way their household operates? It's what we already do with accepting people of different religious traditions, each family is free to teach its children that other religions are wrong, but that you can't become Torquemada in the lunchroom over it.

37 posted on 03/18/2004 12:13:23 PM PST by hunter112
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To: hunter112
Why not just have teaching that emphasizes that different kids come from different households, and its OK to believe that the way your household does it is right for you, while its not OK to ridicule another person for the way their household operates?

I believe we have been teaching that way for a long, long time now. The difference being in the whats OK. The fact being that it is not OK to live that lifestyle, no matter how polite society may be.

True it is not right to ridicule how another home is run, my point was there is really no way around the fact that most people feel disgust towards that lifestyle will most definatley be visited upon the kids. Therefore causing confusion and problems that the "parents" brought upon those kids by their choices - not schools or society.

38 posted on 03/18/2004 12:38:20 PM PST by fml ( You can twist perception, reality won't budge. -RUSH)
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To: King Black Robe
The lie that Lawrence was all about privacy couldn't be more clear. I wonder why the media misses it.

I hope this was just a theoretical question. The media does NOT want to expose the homosexual agenda to Americans.

When I hear people who consider themselves to be tolerant of homosexual behavior, even to the point of marriage, say "I'm not against it. I don't know how it will affect my marriage," I realize that they have not given any thought to the remifications of making same sex "marriage" the law of the land.

One of the first changes will be the prohibitions on certain use of language. Any discussion of the idea that men should not marry men, for example, will be called 'hate speech.'

On local talk radio this morning was a discussion of a book in a public school library, suitable for 6 year old readers, called "King and King." It is about a prince who does not like any of the princesses who his mother brings for his approval, and how he finds his true love with another prince.

This is the evil which will not be able to be stopped if same sex marriage becomes law.

Little children, during the stage of their natural emotional development, will be forced to consider that feelings for a person of the same sex can mean that one is 'gay.' and should be looking at ALL their friends, male and female, as potential future mates. This is EVIL.

39 posted on 03/18/2004 12:49:57 PM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: maica
This is EVIL.

I agree completely.

40 posted on 03/18/2004 12:59:03 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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