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European Dishonor, Sharia on the Old Continent
National Review ^ | December 3, 2003 | Lorenzo Vidino & Erick Stakelbeck

Posted on 12/03/2003 6:34:59 AM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John

Young women killed for dating. Limbs amputated for petty theft. Makeshift courts deciding the fates of members of local Muslim communities. The Western world has grown accustomed to hearing about the brutalities of Islamic law. However, these primitive practices are no longer limited to the remote tribal areas of Pakistan, the backward kingdom of Saudi Arabia, or oppressive, mullah-dominated Iran. Today, thanks in large part to a massive flow of immigration from Muslim countries, sharia law and medieval customs are becoming increasingly common in the heart of Christian Europe.

One of the most shocking examples of this new reality occurred in Sweden last year, when a Kurdish woman was killed by her father for having a romantic relationship with a Swedish man. Fadime Sahindal, 26, had taken her father and brother to sharia court in 1998, alleging that they had threatened to kill her for refusing to marry a Kurdish man the family had chosen for her. The two received only light sentences, however, and continued to abuse Fadime until, in 2002, her father shot and killed her. Disturbingly, the young woman was well aware of the fate that awaited her, as she said during the 1998 trial: "The only way for the family to regain its honor now that I have spread dishonor over it is to kill me."

Cases similar to Fadime's have been reported in France and Denmark. In England last September, a Kurdish father slit his daughter's throat because he disapproved of her Christian boyfriend and Westernized way of life. And, recently, in the port town of Taranto in southern Italy, a Muslim man who suspected that his wife had committed adultery decided — after consulting with members of his local Muslim community — that she should be stoned to death. The tragedy was only averted thanks to the intervention of local police.

Honor killings are not limited to Muslim countries and are, in fact, a common practice in several third-world cultures. Not all Muslims approve of them, and, according to some Muslim scholars, they do not reflect "real Islam." Nevertheless, the Koran itself permits men to beat their wives (Chapter 4, Verse 34), and the sharia-inspired penal codes of most Muslim countries give the benefit of the doubt to a man who kills his wife, daughter, or sister for engaging in adulterous or immoral behavior. This barbaric practice, which has not been seen in European countries in well over a century, is making an unsavory return within the Old Continent's Muslim communities.

The effects of the application of sharia in Europe are not limited to Muslim women. Last year, in the small Italian town of Eboli, hospital workers treated a young Algerian man whose fingers on his right hand had been chopped off. Under questioning, the man refused to reveal how he had sustained his injuries, but investigators have no doubt that he was the victim of punishment carried out according to Islamic law. Authorities in southern Italy, where many migrants from North Africa flock to work in agriculture, are becoming accustomed to such incidents. A Sicilian doctor revealed to the Italian magazine Panorama that victims of violent sharia justice go to the hospital only as a last resort, "when the bleeding is serious." He added that he had become knowledgeable about how amputations must be made according to Islamic tradition (the hand has to be chopped off piece by piece, without breaking any bones).

While these incidents may seem isolated, in actuality, several Muslim groups in Europe openly advocate the introduction of sharia in the West. Uneducated immigrants might use sharia simply because it is a system they are more familiar with, but militant Islamic organizations push for the introduction of Islamic law because they believe it is a superior system, the law revealed by God, and therefore the only acceptable law.

In Germany, Milli Gorus, a militant Turkish Islamic organization with more than 200,000 members, is accused by German intelligence of promoting Islamic law among Turkish immigrants in Europe. The August 2001 issue of Milli Gorus's official publication, Milli Gazete, featured an article stating that "A religious Muslim is also at the same time an advocate for sharia. The state, the media, and the courts have no rights to interfere. The allegiance of a Muslim to sharia cannot be condemned or questioned."

In Britain, the rapid spread of radical Islam in urban areas has led to major social exclusion and the development of sharia among England's Muslims. Al-Muhajiroun, a London-based fundamentalist group with sympathizers throughout Britain's burgeoning Muslim communities, has made the struggle against "man-made law" one of the key points of its agenda, declaring that its members do not recognize English law, but only Islamic law. (Nevertheless, al-Muhajiroun's leaders do not disdain collecting unemployment benefits generously granted by English "man-made law.")

In Italy, mainstream Muslim groups have asked for the introduction of Islamic marriages with no legal effects under Italian law, a de facto subtraction of the wedlock from the control of authorities. This request is aimed at creating a situation where two different legal systems regulate the lives of two different groups of citizens within the same state. In European legal history, it would represent a jump back to the Middle Ages, when different laws applied to different ethnicities. In practical terms, it would mean that Italian citizens of Muslim faith would be subtracted from the guarantees that the Italian legal system provides to its citizens. Therefore, while Christian Italian women would have the same rights as Italian men, Muslim Italian women would have very few rights. While a Christian woman would have the right to obtain a divorce simply by filing papers, a Muslim woman would have to go to great lengths to prove ill treatment at the hands of her husband.

Multiculturalists and leftist defenders of uncontrolled immigration, uneasy when confronted with episodes of the brutal application of sharia in Europe's Muslim ghettoes, are quick to predict that these incidents will disappear once Muslims are wealthier and better integrated into Western society through marriage to native Europeans. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that these predictions will come true in the foreseeable future. Muslims in Europe account for the vast majority of those living under the poverty line, and Muslim neighborhoods are the poorest areas in nearly every European city. Furthermore, statistics show that the majority of European Muslims are not marrying indigenous Europeans but other Muslims, either from their country of origin or from within local Muslim communities.

Politically correct European politicians, ever mindful not to offend their newly arrived Muslim brethren, have done little to aid in the assimilation process. As a result, immigrants who settle in Europe's Muslim communities are often greeted with the same sharia-inspired mayhem that they left behind in their countries of origin. From England to Holland to Greece, many European Muslims have managed to segregate themselves from society at large and maintain harsh traditions ill-suited to the West. As the number of unassimilated Muslims grows and Europe's elites continue to remain silent, the ultimate victim may turn out to be Western civilization itself.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: honorkillings; islam; muslims; sharia; shariah

1 posted on 12/03/2003 6:34:59 AM PST by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
The cancer grows...
2 posted on 12/03/2003 6:55:13 AM PST by WayneM
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To: WayneM
If my memory sereves me correctly, wasn't there an honor killing in St Louis a number of years ago? The father went straight to jail. I hope that would be the way these people would be treated here.
3 posted on 12/03/2003 7:08:39 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: WayneM
The self -superior euro-royals and elites would rather "go down with the ship" than admit the fact that Christianity and Islam don't mix.

Europeans have turned their back on Christianity due to the oppressive governmental insitution of Christianity - Christian Evangelization is against the law and culture of Europe. Euros don't have any loyalty to Christianity inspite of the fact that Christianization of Europe is the foundation of its success and existence.

European civilization may sink to new lows before it finds its footings in the new islamic insurgent world.

4 posted on 12/03/2003 7:19:29 AM PST by Podkayne
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"As the number of unassimilated Muslims grows and Europe's elites continue to remain silent, the ultimate victim may turn out to be Western civilization itself."

The birth rate among civilized peoples in Europe and the US is well below that needed to maintain their populations. The barbaric Muslim horde continue to reproduce like vermin and are flooding into Europe. Within 50 years there will be enough of them to vote for establishment of Islamic governments in Europe. Islamic law DEMANDS conversion, death or slavery for non-muslims. Christians are ignorant of, or have forgotten the Millions of non-Islamics slaughtered by muslim invaders in the 12th and 15th century. History will repeat itself.
5 posted on 12/03/2003 7:25:42 AM PST by BadAndy
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Islamic terror is needed in Europe to coalesce it's anti Christ new world order...police and military...
dialectic SOP - imo
6 posted on 12/03/2003 7:27:51 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Just one more reason for the strong showing of the Euro dollar.
7 posted on 12/03/2003 7:33:09 AM PST by CaptainK
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Al-Muhajiroun Al-Mujihadmorons website: http://www.almuk.com/obm/

On Sharia: http://www.almuk.com/obm/Islamic_Topics/khilafah/oblig_shariah.htm

Jihad: http://www.almuk.com/obm/jihad.html

And 9/11, "The Magnificant Day" http://www.almuk.com/obm/Islamic_Topics/jihad/ayat_alrahman.htm

8 posted on 12/03/2003 7:41:02 AM PST by USF
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
bump
9 posted on 12/03/2003 7:41:36 AM PST by VOA
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To: WayneM
I'm told radiation therapy works well on cancer. Mayhaps we should start with some 10-megaton doses on Riyadh, Jedda, Teheran, Damascus, and Tripoli. . .
10 posted on 12/03/2003 7:43:38 AM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
How long before Christians, Jews, women and other kuffars are banned from testifying or serving on juries at the trial of a Muslim?

Oh wait, that already happened.

11 posted on 12/03/2003 7:44:56 AM PST by Alouette (My son, the Learned Elder of Zion)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Give me a break.The US turns on any European country that shows the slightest bit of nationalism eg Serbia,Austria.Bleeding heart liberal American politicians literally blackmailed Europe into becoming nice and multicultural after WW2.Just like it joined the UN in forcing Australia and South Africa to abandon their white-only immigration policies.America freakin' invented multiculturalism and has demonstrated in the past that if European countries dont embrace it they'll have bombs dropped on them.The only pro-mulitculturalist country in modern European history has been France.
12 posted on 12/03/2003 7:58:05 AM PST by smpc
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
In Germany, Milli Gorus, a militant Turkish Islamic organization with more than 200,000 members, is accused by German intelligence of promoting Islamic law among Turkish immigrants in Europe. The August 2001 issue of Milli Gorus's official publication, Milli Gazete, featured an article stating that "A religious Muslim is also at the same time an advocate for sharia. The state, the media, and the courts have no rights to interfere. The allegiance of a Muslim to sharia cannot be condemned or questioned."

And German do nothing of dealing with organization that threaten state soverignty why?

13 posted on 12/03/2003 8:16:13 AM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Muslims in Europe account for the vast majority of those living under the poverty line, and Muslim neighborhoods are the poorest areas in nearly every European city. Furthermore, statistics show that the majority of European Muslims are not marrying indigenous Europeans but other Muslims, either from their country of origin or from within local Muslim communities.

Hmmm, let see, by socialist standard, Islam countries dirt poor because of evil colonialism....never mind why they dirt poor before colonialism or turn nation like Egypt from richest land in Central Land Sea to cesspool it is now for last 1200 years.

So transplant said muslims to wealthy country and whalla...they still poorist. Could it be culture and devil faith? Nahhh, I am only paranoid.

14 posted on 12/03/2003 8:20:22 AM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Podkayne
How this different from America where Bush declare Islam religion of peace and US state department fly mullahs over to give "lessons"?
15 posted on 12/03/2003 8:21:35 AM PST by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
I may be able to seek clarification on another news item. It is important to identify a method that may be used to allay fears of Sharia law (Well founded fears). Search should find Canada Preparing to Enforce Sharia Law . Posted Nov 27th 2003 from WND,by,and I hope I am not out of place, FR contributor, The Invisible Hand.

The import of the Canadian statement is that Sharia Law applies to Civil actions only. I am not quite clear whether this is a Canadian interpretation to suit their whistling in the dark and Sharia still could be used to physically mutilate human beings.

I myself, feel that regardless of pious pronouncements about civil matters only, it is the "foot in the door". For sure it is an erosion of the laws that should bind Canadians.

Be prepared for the statements that Sharia just deals with civil disputes only.

16 posted on 12/03/2003 8:53:36 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
"Multiculturalists and leftist defenders of uncontrolled immigration, uneasy when confronted with episodes of the brutal application of sharia in Europe's Muslim ghettoes, are quick to predict that these incidents will disappear once Muslims are wealthier and better integrated into Western society through marriage to native Europeans. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that these predictions will come true in the foreseeable future. Muslims in Europe account for the vast majority of those living under the poverty line, and Muslim neighborhoods are the poorest areas in nearly every European city. Furthermore, statistics show that the majority of European Muslims are not marrying indigenous Europeans but other Muslims, either from their country of origin or from within local Muslim communities."

What idiots would want to marry into that? Only fools assume that inter-marriage will be the method that integrates immigrant populations. The Euros have no tradition or willingness to integrate anyone - their racism is extensive but covert.
17 posted on 12/03/2003 10:06:10 AM PST by pragmatic_asian
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
I read this article this morning on NRO, thanks for posting.

This will come here, no doubt. Islamic radicals and their liberal friends, who already possess a disdain for religion (read Christianity), will say that "freedom of religion" means sharia must be allowed.
18 posted on 12/03/2003 10:23:14 AM PST by Akira (Blessed are the cheesemakers.)
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To: RussianConservative
Hi RC,

in 2001, right after the 9-11 attacks, Germany has changed the laws, allowing to ban religious organisations aiming to abolish our constitution. The Interior Minister did this in early 2002, Milli Görus is illegal right now. The Supreme Court has upheld that in a decision.

Michael
19 posted on 12/03/2003 1:44:36 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Sunshine Sister
"[W]asn't there an honor killing in St Louis a number of years ago? The father went straight to jail."

There was indeed a murder, not sure about the fate of the father.

Who can continue to doubt that these folks are trying to take over the world, by whatever means necessary?

What on earth will it take to STOP IMMIGRATION?

And what the hell is wrong with Canada to legitimize this? That's a step farther than Europe has gone?

Islam is at war with us, it's time we went to war with Islam. (That has new-tagline potential!)
20 posted on 12/03/2003 5:44:23 PM PST by jocon307 (The Dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: pragmatic_asian
"The Euros have no tradition or willingness to integrate anyone -
their racism is extensive but covert."

Rather stong statement don't you think?
It seems to me that when non-whites assert their ethnicity, then it's "multiculturalism"
and white folks better respect it. But when whites show any inkling of racial consciousness,
solidarity or concern about their own unique cultures , national identity or their own destiny
as a people then they're automatically "racists."

And since when are the "Euros" required to integrate anyone? I see "non-Euros" all over the
Western (Euro, North American, Australian, New Zealand) world. I don't see "Euros" by the
millions settling in the "non-Euro" world. Wonder why that is?

21 posted on 12/03/2003 6:38:32 PM PST by StormEye
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To: StormEye
"Rather stong statement don't you think?
It seems to me that when non-whites assert their ethnicity, then it's "multiculturalism"
and white folks better respect it. But when whites show any inkling of racial consciousness,
solidarity or concern about their own unique cultures , national identity or their own destiny
as a people then they're automatically "racists." "

I call shennanigans. Exactly what is white culture? Here in the US plenty of 'whites' celebrate their cultures and nobody says a damng thing. If anything, people of other ethnicities/cultures participate. Plenty of people from other ethnicities and cultures take part in October-fest for example. It's not just whites I see partying during St. Patrick's Day. Is tail-gating part of white culture? If so, I do it before college games. I haven't heard of anyone calling 'white' celebration of their culture racist. Give me an example if you can. It may seem that way, but idiots on both ends of the socio-political spectrum creat bad impressions all around. I despise the multi-culturalist extremists as much as anyone since it makes my own sense of culture seem prideful. I've lived in countries where I was part of the ethnic/racial majority and several others where I was in the minority. In the countries where I was where I was part of the majority, my family and I felt no need to celebrate our culture/race in particular. We simply celebrated our events/custums without race/culture becoming an overt issue--it's probably like that for "whites" in the US--because there's virtually no threat of losing your cultural identity.

"And since when are the "Euros" required to integrate anyone? I see "non-Euros" all over the
Western (Euro, North American, Australian, New Zealand) world. I don't see "Euros" by the
millions settling in the "non-Euro" world. Wonder why that is?"

Why are you trying to be disingenuous? The answer is simple - because the rest of the world is generally a shit-hole and they want to make a better life for themselves and their family. Admit it, you would be no different in trying to get to some place better for you family if you could. And if you allow all that immigration from those other countries, you might want to integrate those people otherwise they can become a problem. So do you think it's a good idea for Euros to allow all that Muslim immigration and not even make an effort to make them adopt civilized values?
22 posted on 12/05/2003 7:47:32 PM PST by pragmatic_asian
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To: RussianConservative
Religious affiliatioon is the most interesting thing about american culture that is not reported in the news media. It is very "american" to have some kind of religious affiliation - even a "devout atheist" is pigeonholed and identified.

Europe has no such diversity and latitude in religious freedom. American religious freedom is an anomaly in world history. It is the backbone of our love of freedom and do - or -die commitment to be "free".

Europe has no commitment to individual freedoms when compared to America. American government silliness in bringing over mullahs is just that - but in Europe that action would bear more weight, more meaning and signify more serious intentions.

There are so many differences between Euro religious traditions and American ones that it should be studied by all non-American countries. This is the real strength of America - not its bombs or leaders. :-)

23 posted on 12/09/2003 1:09:01 AM PST by Podkayne
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