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Posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:20 AM PST by truthandlife
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After reading your last reply, it looks like you come right up to the water's edge to confess Christ's divinity - but you can't quite bring yourself to do so. In general, most of your comments regarding Christ are on the mark - but they seem a bit 'hedged':
"He was with the Father during creation."
Absolutely. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are One - so of course Christ was there.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
So - no problem with your statement that Christ was with the Father during the creation - because both Christ and the Father are part of the Godhead.
1 John 4;2-3 and 2 John 1;7 deal with confessing Christ is come in the flesh. I know Christ came in the flesh, on the earth he was a fleshly man, his power came in obedience to the Father. Even he said he could of his own self do nothing, right. So he had to be a man like you and me. To deny he was a man and make him a God-man is actually the spirit of anti-christ. I am not trying to offend you, really I am not, but that was what John said.
Oh don't worry about offending me - but worry about offending the Son (quick chance for you to re-read Psalm 2). As I mentioned earlier, I take back my use of the phrase, "God-man" - but 'God with us' (Immanuel - from Isaiah 7:14) or "God manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16) will do...
The anti-Christs were those that denied that Jesus Christ had been made manifest in the flesh. There were heretics in those days (gnostics) that claimed the 'Christ' was purely spirit that inhabited the man - Jesus. I don't think this is what you are espousing (although I'm not quite sure), and its certainly not my position - which is simply as the Bible says: "God was manifest in the flesh", and "Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
I might not be logging on for awhile - so may God Bless you.
It isn't up to me to determine who goes to heaven or hell...thank goodness.
According to Christian doctrine, God makes those decisions.
Jesus said he was going to his Father after the ressurection.
We know scripture says he is seated at the right hand of the Father. (Not just at the right hand, but seated, in a seat, at the right hand.)
When a person is in Hell they are cut off from God, like Jesus was but, Psalms 16:10,
For thou will not leave my soul in hell neither will thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption.
Jesus also stated he could of his own self do nothing.
Perhaps this is where we are missing each other, I know Jesus is in heaven and he is divine but he still gets his power from the Father. When he was on the earth he was not divine but a man.
One more question, in heaven will the Father or the Son have the scars in his hands and side? The Father will not because he was not crucified, but Jesus will.
Want me to prove God? Go look in a mirror. If you think that biological and physical piece of art was made by a bunch of mutations over millions of years, then there is no hope for you. Your existence proves God and the Bible says as much.
Saint Paul disagrees with you in Romans, but then he is merely a Saint Paul, isn't he?
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Do all Muslims go to hell? Heck, I don't know. It's not up to me, but I don't believe that all Muslims go to hell. Am I right? I don't know.
The use of Islam by Islamic terrorists is routinely dismissed by media figures and Islamic advocacy groups with hazy invocations of theological equivalence: There are violent passages in the Bible, too. And it's true: People of all religions have done terrible things. But none of these kinds of objections gets to the heart of the matter: Terrorists on a global scale today are using the Quran, not the Bible or the Bhagavad Gita or the Book of Mormon, to justify violence and to convince others that they should act violently or approve of violence.
Here's a touching family portrait of Imam Fall at home with his son, and a possible person clad in a black sack, identified as his wife.
You find many moderate Muslim spokesmen and American-Muslim advocates in this country, who quote you the peaceful and tolerant verses, and no reference to the violent verses. . . . When you read Islamic theologians themselves . . . you find they actually confront this problem directly. . . . Some of the most respected thinkers in Islamic history say that when you come upon these kinds of disagreements -- where you see peace in one place and violence in the other -- you have to go with what was revealed last, that cancels out what was revealed before. Unfortunately, for the moderates, the violent verses were revealed later and they cancel out the peaceful ones -- but you won't hear this from the American Muslim advocacy groups. . . .---Islam: a religion of peace?
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