Bush says Muslims and Christians Worship Same God

CNN | 11/20/03

[truthandlife]

I was watching the Tony Blair and President Bush press conference and an American reporter asked a question on the lines of do you believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!

[biblewonk]

If Islam believed what he said they believe, there would be no such thing as an "infidel" to them. What a silly thing for him to have said.

[carton253]

I don't understand why you keep twisting my point to make it a right/wrong issue. To a Muslim, yes. So to a Marxist, the works of Marx, Lenin etc ... are the final word on Truth? So what?

So what? So what? Are you serious?

Muslims believe that they are so right that they are willing to wage a global war to impose an Islamic culture/religion upon the world.

In fact, they believe they are so right that they believe this jihad has been ordained and approved of by God.

Again...stop being so simple. It's not about right and wrong.

[Lady Eileen]

Go to Saudi Arabia and tell the religious police that Jesus was the Son of God. Let me know what happens.

How many churches are open in Saudi Arabia?

There was one, for foreigners. They met at the U.S. Embassy. Then Clinton caved to Saudi pressure and shut it down. I don't know if Bush's ambassador now permits the services.

[biblewonk]

Have a nice day.

[Marysecretary]

I don't doubt that there are many muslims who love God, but they might as well be worshipping a fence post by praying to Allah. He does not exist. He is a figment of Mohammed's imagination. The muslims have been sold a bill of goods and we're paying the price.

[Marysecretary]

I believe she was 6 when he took her as his wife and then 9 when he just took her.

[carton253]

If your "forest" is that we both worship the God of Abraham, I didn't miss it.

Not my point at all...hasn't been this entire thread.

Perhaps you missed where Islam replaced the God of Abraham with someone else.

To whom? The Christian or to the Muslim?

Thus, Islam worships a different god.

Again...to whom? To the Christian, or to the Muslim? Because it makes a difference.

Now, if I truly missed your forest, perhaps you can find enough kindness in your religious heart to spell it out for me.

Oooohhhh! Barbed comment! LOL!

[cyncooper]

I haven't read any replies, but do you deny there is only one God?

Your complaint seems to be with the way some Muslims choose to interpret or define "worship" and what God asks and demands of them (us).

[1stFreedom]

>>We do not worship nor belive in the same God. Sure, He has the same name, but that is where all similarity stops.

I think you have it backwards.

We worship the same God, but it's the attributes that are different. That's not to that the reality of God is relative. Rather, some of us have the attributes wrong.

It's like incorrectly describing ME. Go ahead and try to describe me without having seen me. Regardless of how inaccurate your description is, you are still describing ME.

The God of the Jews, Moslems, and Christians is the God of Abraham. Yea, some attributes from other religions may have been added to the "GOD" of some of these faiths, but essentially, they all point to the God of Abraham.

It would be better to say that other faiths have the attributes incorrect than to say it's a differnt God.

[Waryone]

Thank you so much for this link. I was beginning to despair at the work that had to be done educating fellow brothers and sisters in Christ on the lies of Islam. (They do not worship our Lord.)

This thread has shown me some things such as:

Don't assume because someone says they are Christian that they know the truth. And

The devil's work is so subtle. He even has Christians believing pagan religions worship the one true God. And he can confuse the issue even on a conservative board to such an extent that the real reason for the original post has been lost.

What does George Bush's statement mean for his presidency and our future as a nation?

I ask all Christians to remember who our enemy is. Pray for President Bush that his eyes are opened to the truth. That he holds fast to the Lord's truth and not worldly, cultural truth, and that those who know themselves as Christians will seek truth not convenient ideas.

Hold fast to the truth especially, the Bible, the one true offensive weapon we have to use against our enemy.

"For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance, but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be take away from him." Matt. 13:12

[carton253]

And you realize that my posts have nothing to do with whether Muslims are correct in their assumptions, but what they believe about their faith...

[rintense]

Then why do you generalize?

[Marysecretary]

Yes, agreed. We are all created by the same Creator. Trouble is, many of His creation don't believe in the ONE true God, the God of the Jews and Christians. Allah is a moon god, not a real god. Might as well worship a stump.

[Stop Legal Plunder]

Modern Muslims (at least the ones I know) believe that the Koran was written for a specific moment in history, and that phrases saying to kill infidels has no application to modern times.

That's what they tell you.

I don't see many Jews or Christians sacrificing animals because the Bible says so.

Christians don't sacrifice animals, because the Bible (in the New Testament) says the temple sacrifices were a pattern of what was to come, the final sacrifice of Christ for his people. As that is complete, no new sacrifice is required. As for the Jews, those who wish to continue the sacrifices are missing some necessary tools, among them the temple, the site of which is now occupied by a Muslim Mosque.

These militant muslims HAVE hijacked a religion based on THEIR interpretation of the Koran.

Their's is the traditional view, not the modern revisionist view. There's nothing in the Koran itself that says its teachings won't be applicable in the "modern," or any other future, period of history. You should have more respect for Islam than to let moderns hijack it.

[newgeezer]

I believe she was 6 when he took her as his wife and then 9 when he just took her.

Funny how my son's 7th-grade social studies textbook fails to mention any of that about Muhammad. It basically says he's this wonderful guy who, as a young man, came up with a clever solution to the problem of who would have the honor of placing the Kaaba in the reconstructed temple (or whatever the place is/was). Then, he received word from God, and Islam took off from there. Nothing at all about how it spread so rapidly, either. Just that it did.

I guess that other stuff is just so much hate speech (even if it happens to be true).

[nonsporting]

Jews, Christians (Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc), Muslims all worship the same God.

My God was crucified and was resurrected.

My God is the eternal one, has always been God, and He created the Heavens and the Earth. (see John 1)

My God is not the "spirit brother" of Satan. He did not start out as a man on His way to deification. ("As man is God once was; As God is man may become." Mormonism)

My God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Before Him no Gods were formed, and none after. (see Isaiah 43:10)

My God must be worshipped in spirit and it truth.

This is the God of the Bible.

[tubavil]

INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, Mr. Bush, when islamics blow up praying Christians and then shout "allah ahkbar!!", they are addressing the same G-d?????????????

Insane, Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beachlover]

I went to a Christian college and studied many years the history behind the world religions. The President is correct. Three major religions came out of the same desert region. "The Father" is the same with Jews, Christians and Muslims. Our God that we know in the Old Testament is the same God of the Jews and the Muslims. We three faiths branch off after that. The differences can even be traced to one family line from the Old Testament. Hate to say it guys---but "God" is the same for all of us. "Jesus" in unique to the Christians---but, all three faiths got their start from the same beginning---"God" mankind gave names to "God" and it was mankind---NOT GOD OUR FATHER who broke up the "faiths" into three different beliefs. Give the President credit---he wouldn't say a stupid thing like that if he didn't know what he was talking about.

[JoeSchem]

Please pray for President Bush's understanding of Islam and Christianity. This could do in his whole Presidency.

You're right on target. I see the posters from the White House basement are barking at you with the Rove line: "How dare you criticize the President!"

Frankly, I see a misunderstanding like this doing in the whole country.

[rintense]

Do they cite passages in the Koran that anticipate a time of modernism, when the initial precepts of Islam could be discarded? There are certainly passages in the Koran where Muslims are given leave to lie to you and me about their intentions.

No, they take a practical view of their faith and apply it to daily life. And rather than to be the skeptic and think they are lying to me- knowing that all people can and do lie regardless of their religious belief- I look for the good in people. If I am wrong, then so be it. Christians aren't instructed to sacrifice animals, the sacrifice of Christ is sufficient. Jews, as I recall, conduct their sacrifices in a Temple, and there isn't one at the moment.

But the Bible is a WHOLE document which gives the history of God and Christ. If you can say that accepting Christ's sacrifice is enough, then why can't Muslims also choose which parts of the Koran to believe and which parts to dismiss? Jews don't believe Christ is the son of God. Are they wrong also?

They're actually interpreting the Koran as written. Jihad is integral to Islam. Mohammed evangelized through jihad.

Yes, and??? Written as they interpret it. Like the Bible, the Koran has been written and interpreted differently over thousands of years. If it meant the same to all Muslims, then you would see all Muslims being terrorists. If one would go by what you just said, then there can be only one true religion based on the Bible. So what is it? Christianity? Judism? Factions of Christianity??? Every single one of them believe something different. Which one is right? And which Bible version is right? King James, NIV?

How would belief in the God of Mohammed, which binds Muslims, ever keep them peaceful?

Why not ask the peaceful Muslims here in the US?

Muslim who truly believes in pluralism, and doesn't desire Islamic government and the institution of sharia law, is actually a heretic to Islam. There is no secular tradition in Islam; no equivalent to Jesus' dictum: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God that which is God's.

That is your opinion. But let me ask you this. What if modern/moderate Muslims believe the militants are wrong and are heretics to Islam? Isn't it entirely possible that the radical element of Islam is causing a secular movement within Islam?