France and Germany discuss union

Guardian ^ | 11/13/03 | Jon Henley in Paris

[Pikamax]

France and Germany discuss union

Jon Henley in Paris Thursday November 13, 2003 The Guardian

France and Germany are publicly discussing the possibility of a "Franco-German union" that would allow them to cooperate more closely in such areas as education, social affairs and the economy and even merge their defence and foreign policies, the French daily Le Monde said yesterday. The paper said that at this stage Europe's two most powerful nations, whose historic enmity has been transformed into the main driving force towards European integration, saw the project primarily as a tactic to ensure that countries such as Spain and Poland do not block the planned European constitution, paralysing the EU as it expands to 25 members next year.

But beyond short-term tactical considerations, some form of Franco-German union is seen by leaders particularly in Paris as a vital future step. The French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, said the project was "essential" and "the only historic gamble that we cannot lose".

The prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, who earlier this month hoisted a joint meeting of French and German regional authorities, also believes the two countries' relations have never been closer and that the time is ripe to go "pretty far", Le Monde said. After a shaky period during and immediately after the stormy Nice EU summit in December 2000, Paris and Berlin have worked conspicuously hard to get the so-called Franco-German motor firing again.

Their efforts culminated earlier this year when the French president, Jacques Chirac, and the German chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, signed a declaration promising more cooperation in areas ranging from crime to foreign policy.

They also said France and Germany would seek to "adopt common positions" in international bodies, including the UN security council, hold joint cabinet meetings, harmonise national laws wherever possible, and each appoint a senior official to oversee Franco-German cooperation.

Since then the two countries' relationship has been further cemented by the role they played in opposing the US-led invasion of Iraq, and more recently Mr Chirac represented Mr Schröder at an European council meeting in October.

But it is the realisation in both capitals that without the closest possible cooperation, France and Germany could well lose much of their influence in a larger EU that seems to be driving the project for a Franco-German union.

Le Monde quoted Mr Raffarin as saying: "If Europe with 25 members is a failure, what is left for France? The initiative of Franco-German rapprochement."

The prime minister reportedly continued, during a recent informal debate, to praise the "efficiency" of Paris's relations with Berlin and to say he could "well imagine that one day a German commissioner could represent France in Brussels."

[Alter Kaker]

Ahem. Let's use the language of the rulers, not the conquered....

I have not spoken German it has been fifty years, and I do not intend to now.

[Michael81Dus]

Charlemagne wasn´t French. At that time, there was no French or German nationality - his three sons divided the empire and therefore founded the (rough) nations of Franche, Benelux and Germany.

[NovemberCharlie]

If you want to get technical about it, there was no Germany in 1800, just Prussia and the Holy Roman Empire. And Charlemagne was certainly a Frank.

[Michael81Dus]

Charlemagne spoke somewhat of German. He is considered to be the founder of the German nation ("Holy Roman Empire of the German nation"). A Frank is not a French. The four German tribes were the Saxes (Sachsen), the Franks (Franken), Alemannes (Alemannen) and the Bavarians (Bajuwaren). Indeed, the Germans have beaten the French more often than vice versa.