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Lindsey Graham Trashes Pro-Life Ted Cruz for Opposing Abortion of Babies Conceived in Rape
Life News ^ | December 4, 2015 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/04/2015 4:21:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: FourPeas

I’m happy for her. It’s difficult. It’s not the choice I would have recommended for someone I knew, unless she insisted. Then I would have backed off. But, IMHO, that’s not a place where the government should exhibit no flexibility and say, “you’ve been screwed, and shall carry to term.” That’s why I don’t like to hear it from Ted as an announced principle.


21 posted on 12/04/2015 4:43:34 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: conservativejoy

*POP* LOL


22 posted on 12/04/2015 4:44:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Sorry, I like Cruz and can’t stand Linda, but if it were my daughter or wife...

Ultimately, the babie's life is more important than the emotional well-being of your wife/daughter.

Furthermore, I'd have to believe, that given your wife/daughter are moral people, that the long term effects, emotionally and spiritually, of aborting a baby would be much, MUCH worse than the emotional pain of bringing the baby to full birth. There is always adoption.

There simply is no excuse, from a moral perspective, of murdering an unborn baby, unless it is something like a tubal ligation, which even now, it appears that the medical community is working on a solution for.
23 posted on 12/04/2015 4:45:03 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Well said.


24 posted on 12/04/2015 4:47:07 PM PST by doc1019 (Out of my mind ... back in 5)
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To: SoConPubbie

Think of the Swedish Muslim invasion and rape epidemic. Is it necessary for those Swedish women to carry the seed of these oppressive invaders? I don’t think so, especially if its very early term.

But, in a sense, this is the nature/nurture issue writ large. I think there’s some nature at work here.


25 posted on 12/04/2015 4:49:22 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sic em, Linda


26 posted on 12/04/2015 4:49:25 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Someone has to speak for the innocent child. Protecting the life of its citizens is a natural duty for government.


27 posted on 12/04/2015 4:52:43 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: skeeter

>>>So Linda has been assigned by the GOPe to ‘take down’ Ted Cruz. Hilarious.
<<<

I was just going to type your comment...I would only add ‘Linda at 0.0% in the last 3 national polls’....


28 posted on 12/04/2015 4:54:37 PM PST by HoosierWordsmith
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To: Ouderkirk

I feel that the argument that concieveing a child of rape is a “daily reminder” is kind of dumb. As if killing a baby will, somehow, mitigate the pain that women who are raped feel. The rape still occurred. The psychological trauma still will exist...probably for years, if not until you die. Many women who have been raped and bore children as a result were pleased that they have done so. On the other hand, many women who have aborted children merely because of the potential “inconvience” have great emotional scars. Combining the emotional pain from being raped and then adding the pain of aborting your child doesn’t seem like it would fix anything. It would probably just exacerbate your problems. Just my two cents. I don’t think I can judge anyone who has to make that choice, but I feel that’s a pretty weak argument to make.


29 posted on 12/04/2015 4:55:43 PM PST by Politicalkiddo (“How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Rape is highly unlikely to result in pregnancy, but to be certain of preventing pregnancy, there is always “Plan B”, aka the morning-after pill.

I would never condone using Plan B on a routine basis, but in the case of rape, I doubt that one use will pose any long-term health effects.

In the event that a pregnancy results anyway, I would rather the woman be given caring support, not pressured to kill the baby. Yes, it is a baby conceived in rape, but it is also HER baby. And once a woman has an abortion, she changes physically and emotionally.

I know that the pro-abortion narrative is that whenever a woman conceives a child that is not planned and wanted, her reaction is to want to snuff the kid ASAP. However, that just is not true. Women are programmed biologically to want their kids and to feel motherly as soon as pregnancy occurs.


30 posted on 12/04/2015 4:57:08 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: SoConPubbie

I agree with you. Abortion is not worth the risk. The dangers, both mental and physical,are probably more dangerous than carrying a child to term. Adoption is always an option.


31 posted on 12/04/2015 4:58:45 PM PST by Politicalkiddo (“How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Politicalkiddo

*concieving


32 posted on 12/04/2015 5:00:21 PM PST by Politicalkiddo (“How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

If some BLM type did that to my daughter, I’m with you. Not popular, but that’s the truth for me. Id be sure she got Plan B so fast it’d make your head spin. Besides, plan B is just a big dose of normal birth control.
Nothing immoral about the pill.


33 posted on 12/04/2015 5:01:03 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Ouderkirk

I suppose we all need to ask ourselves “Would my life be less precious to me if I had been conceived by an act of rape?” Until I thought more on the subject, I never thought about how a child is it’s mother’s child no matter how it is conceived. The rapist is the one who deserves punishment not the child nor the mother.


34 posted on 12/04/2015 5:02:49 PM PST by This I Wonder32460 (Being an American citizen is more than just having US citizenship.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I worked with a man whose wife was raped (Different race, perp was jailed , wife gave birth), needless to say the child, father and grandfather are better men than me or you.


35 posted on 12/04/2015 5:03:05 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Politicalkiddo

“To me, the father is irrelevant.”

Unfortunately, the courts don’t always see it that way. There is a very real possibility that in a few short years, “daddy” will get visitation. This is especially true if for one of 100 reasons he isn’t convicted.
Imagine the most foul illegal alien, some BLM type, or some other monster. And you have to interact with them for a lifetime.
No thanks.


36 posted on 12/04/2015 5:07:52 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: SoConPubbie

“unless it is something like a tubal ligation, which even now, it appears that the medical community is working on a solution for.”

Bright.


37 posted on 12/04/2015 5:11:19 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Ouderkirk; Pearls Before Swine
Second is, should a woman be forced (against her will) to carry a child who is a daily reminder of a rape?

A difficult question no doubt.

But I would council that compounding the trauma of rape with the trauma of abortion is not going to be the answer.

Living with rape is difficult but living with the fact that you ended the life of your child is only going to make things worse.

38 posted on 12/04/2015 5:19:03 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Linda who? Is he even at 1%?


39 posted on 12/04/2015 5:19:08 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Pontiac

I’m not trying to run a one man mini-pro-abortion thread here.

It’s a difficult decision.

But, I don’t think the government should aid and abet the rapist if the woman and the family think that the fruits of the rape should be reversed. That’s why I commented on it... because Ted is quoted as having brought it up. I agree with him on most issues, and admire his eloquence, but this is one place I don’t.


40 posted on 12/04/2015 5:22:04 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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