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Lindsey Graham Trashes Pro-Life Ted Cruz for Opposing Abortion of Babies Conceived in Rape
Life News ^ | December 4, 2015 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/04/2015 4:21:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We don’t kill the one who commits the rape; why would we kill the person who is the result of the rape?


41 posted on 12/04/2015 5:32:29 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I guess my thought were it my daughter would be how it would affect her. IMHO having an abortion would be much more damaging to my daughter than having the baby. It’s not an easy fix. Even before I was pro-life, I heard that a woman I knew had had five abortions. I was appalled. I have never known a woman who was raped and got pregnant. Both my pregnancies were wanted babies. So at the age of 67 I try to be careful about telling others what to believe but I sincerely believe that if my daughter or daughter in law or heaven forbid my granddaughter were to be raped and to conceive, I would be there and encourage that woman to have the baby, both for the baby and for the mother.


42 posted on 12/04/2015 5:44:30 PM PST by Mercat (attempting to catch a Chewbacca fart and paint it green.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I have known women who did not make the Satanic choice. None of them regretted it. 0%.

I have known women who, in that situation, went ahead and procured the death of their baby. Some regretted that choice.

I think people fool themselves into thinking this is the “compassionate” choice, because they can’t imagine going nine months with a pregnant lady who was a victim of rape. The horror of the crime so overwhelms the innocent bystander, that they find it difficult to be in her presence. And to be pregnant! A constant reminder to the friends the father, the mother, sister or brother of the victim of the terrible tragedy to have befallen the victim. So, in the mind of the father, the mother, the friend, or brother or sister, it is more “compassionate” to “get rid of it.”

But really, that is not compassion to the victim. “Compassion” means “to suffer with.” To accompany another in his/her suffering. The pregnant woman needs someone who will suffer along side her, not try to eliminate the problem by assisting her in killing her baby. The only one for which you have any “compassion” is yourself, because if the woman aborts, you will free yourself from having to suffer with her. You will not be greeted with the horror of the crime every time you see her. She will forever know she killed her baby. But you can forget about it. Pat yourself on the back for avoiding the pain of being truly compassionate.


43 posted on 12/04/2015 5:47:06 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
But, I don't think the government should aid and abet the rapist if the woman and the family think that the fruits of the rape should be reversed.

I don't intend to vilify you.

I simply express my profound belief that aborting a child conceived by rape is compounding the injury to the raped woman.

I know a woman who had an abortion and it is a decision that haunts her constantly.

She was not raped so it does not directly relate to this situation but the abortion is something that she feels deeply guilty about.

I can't see that the child being the result of a rape making much of a difference in feelings of guilt following an abortion.

44 posted on 12/04/2015 5:47:30 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I used to think that until I realized that a baby is a baby is a baby. Why should a child be killed for the sin of his/her father?

Not only that, but studies have shown that carrying that child to term is less traumatic for the mother than killing it through abortion. I would never want the murder of an innocent weighing on my daughter’s soul. Adoption is by far the best way to bring beauty from ashes.


45 posted on 12/04/2015 5:56:51 PM PST by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine; FourPeas
But, IMHO, that’s not a place where the government should exhibit no flexibility and say, “you’ve been screwed, and shall carry to term.” That’s why I don’t like to hear it from Ted as an announced principle.

Ted's right... My question for you is this: No mater where you go in these United States, YOU are protected by the fact that the government at any level cannot sanction the taking of your life except by two means: Due Process (criminal trespass, convicted in a court of law), and Just Cause (basically, war/self defense). In all cases but these, the taking of your life is not sanctioned, at all, and in fact your life is protected with prejudice (the gov will seek to prevent the taking of your life, and will punish those who do).

How then does the taking of the life of the child in the womb fall into either of those categories? If it doesn't, the Constitutional aegis laid upon our government is to protect that life, as enumerated in the Declaration of Independence... just as it is forsworn to protect yours.

46 posted on 12/04/2015 6:15:38 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Second is, should a woman be forced (against her will) to carry a child who is a daily reminder of a rape?
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The alternative is to carry on her conscience the murder of an innocent child. The rape is an ugly occurrence , but it is a fleeting moment in ones life... we all have something ugly happen to us at some point... Grahamnesty is dead wrong here.


47 posted on 12/04/2015 6:34:06 PM PST by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." � John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

that’s not a place where the government should exhibit no flexibility and say, “you’ve been screwed, and shall carry to term.”
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You seem to think that having a baby is some kind of a life sentence... it’s 9 1/2 months ... and only the last 3 or so are any burden... Have you never heard of adoption?


48 posted on 12/04/2015 6:37:33 PM PST by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." � John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does Graham support the murder of a 2 year old child of a rape victim because the mother just cant deal with the trama of raising the child of her rapist anymore?

And if not, why not? if it’s wrong to kill them at 2 it’s wrong to kill them before they are born!


49 posted on 12/04/2015 7:36:00 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dear Senator Graham: Please review the Constitution of the United States. If we do not allow the highest crime in the land—treason— to “work tainture of blood” why then should we do it for rape? Why is the child responsible for the sins of the father?


50 posted on 12/04/2015 7:49:56 PM PST by brothers4thID ("We've had way too many Republicans whose #1 virtue is "I get along great with Democrats".")
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Just showing your human self - many here say they believe in one thing or another but manage to find "exceptions" that make sense to them.

One never really knows until the situation is upon him and then should pray before deciding.

51 posted on 12/05/2015 4:51:10 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: DesertRhino

Interesting point. However, I was speaking more of a personal aspect to the issue—not of a judicial one. I’m saying that the fact that a child is mine would (hopefully) be sufficient reason enough for me to not kill my kid.


52 posted on 12/05/2015 7:17:31 AM PST by Politicalkiddo (“How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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