Posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
No more! It's time to form a "Tea Party" to supplant the "me too, me too!" GOP. We tried getting behind a Northeastern "centrist" so as to oust the worst president in our history and we crashed and burned. Einstein said "insanity is doing something over and over and expecting different results" or words to that effect and he was right. Nixon, Ford, the Bush family, Bob Dole, McCain and now Romney. What's wrong with this picture?
The Tea Party numbers in the tens of millions, at minimum. I don't remember any other independent movement in our country of patriots, do you? We need to take the next step, in my opinion. What do you think? And how would we get started?
Let me be clear.
The goals and aims of the liberaltarians are at total variance with the goals and aims of traditional and Christians conservatives.
This pretending to be on the same side is over.
They have shown they are willing to embrace the left in exchange for legal pot. That is as far as they think.
Considering amnesty is now a probability, the 20 million new democrats pretty much rule out any opposition party to the rats.
Sorry for the double posts ... I would delete one if I could
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I say heck yes.
Romney is history. It was obvious from day one he would have a hard time of it, but he was who we had.
Palin would have won, and will win the next election should she step forward NOW and help us build a winning team.
How about it Palin? Now is the time.
Oh please stop it. This 3rd party fantasy crap is such a waste of time. It’s just not going to happen. Each cycle we end up with some goofball like Virgil Goode running a vanity campaign which will never achieve anything except maybe being a spoiler - if they are lucky. Even Ron Paul figured out that 3rd party’s don’t work in this country. The primaries are for trying to push the right of center party in the direction you want - that is your chance to really fight for candidates you truly believe in. General elections are almost always going to be a choice between the only 2 candidates that can win in a 2 party system.
Now is the time to look at the exit polls, analyze what happened and get serious about what we can do about winning over the demographics we need to be a serious national party in the future. Flailing around with dopey 3rd party fantasies won’t get us anywhere.
In 2016 we are going to have the same silliness we had this time around. Conservatives that don’t get their candidate of choice nominated will stomp around and threaten to stay home. There will be a whole bunch of whining about the “establishment” as usual. Then the desire to finally win will overwhelm everything else and most of us will rally around our candidate and try to take the White House back. There will be a few dead-enders who refuse to do anything productive to help win, but then that is always the case and those people achieve absolutely nothing.
Started out with a BIG BANG, then pooped out. Reason I think it did was because So many wanted to be the head honcho, and the movement divided and splintered.
In Okla., that is what happened. First one a big success and was thrilling to see that spontaneous happening, and gave me so much hope.
Then it started, This one thought they were the leader, another one thought the same and so on. Each had a different idea and bad mouth the other.
In the long run you didn't know which one to move with, and it was gone. Each had an agenda for their personal success. There is the problem in a nutshell.
I am not willing to give my allegiance to just anyone.
Yeah, right. Palin isn't going to join some ridiculous 3rd party effort and I seriously doubt she is ever going to run for President at this point. She's got a great gig as a commentator on Fox News making good money, and I'd bet that is what she sticks with.
For some people, "Moral Absolutes" aren't really "Absolute" but, Myth appreciated their vote just the same.
The GOP is failed.
Karl Rove and his like have killed conservatism within its ranks rendering themselves useless.
The GOP is dead, they just don't know it yet and will continue moving left trying to regain significance.
Kill it with fire.
Conservatism is our last best hope while the GOP is serving up liberalism in toxic doses.
Screw em. They did this to us. They are fired.
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
The Tea Party, from the very beginning, has been about supporting Conservative candidates, and NOT supporting RINOs. If we nominate a RINO for President, why would we ever expect them to give their full support? That’s just wishful thinking.
Of course, the Tea Party itself bears a lot of blame for the RINO getting nominated. Conservatives need to get our act together before the next elections and pick one vetted candidate to back before the primaries even start.
Yes. Tea Party or Constitution Party. Maybe even cal it the Founder’s Party. THIS is the time to do it. We can make several changes in the 2014 mid-term elections, like we did bin 2010. Then we can run a real conservative in 2016. Sarah Palin comes to mind. I’m sick to death of the republican party. Stolen elections aside, and it is possible that THIS one WAS stolen, but when you have such duds running the party, who have no cojones at all, it is time to quite the screaming at them and walk away. I am not a libertarian. I am pro-life. They are NOT. I am pro-family. They could care less about whether we have protection of marriage or not. There are SOME values worth fighting for. Libertarians have a narrow view of liberty. I used to be with them, but had to leave them. They are deeply conflicted in my opinion. But, a serious party for conservatives of all stripes? YES!
Yes, it is time for the Tea Party to become a REAL party. I am afraid that due to the fundamental changes in our country now, we may never see another Republican President in our lifetime. The Democratic Party has a grid-lock on blacks, hispanics, your typical liberal-minded elitest, and those who get food stamps and government checks. That is 50% of the country right there. By now, I am sure the Republican Party is starting to wonder how they can retool the party to reach some of these factions. So, what will they do?? Move to the center/left and accept abortion, gay-rights, more government? Any changes in just ONE of these things will cause many conservatives and evangelicals to bolt the party, and then where will the Republican Party be then?
It is time, past time, for true conservatives to unite. What do we have to lose? The GOP is losing now, and will continue I predict. Just MHO.
You write, “Instead, we hijack the Constitution Party and start looking for legitimate candidates who can communicate conservatism in a rational and convincing manner....”
There’s no hijacking needed. The Constitution Party (unlike the Libertarian Party) already espouses solidly conservative principles.
Although the Tea Party has “party” in its name, it’s not a political party. It’s a popular movement that can fuel the success of a genuine party that’s geared toward electoral action. This process would repeat, on the right, the success of the civil rights movement. The difference is that the Democratic Party establishment accepted the civil rights movement. Democrats who didn’t go along with that change became “DINOs” (though that term wasn’t used then) and migrated to the Republican Party.
What the Republican Party establishment should have learned from that experience is that, when there’s a large, energetic popular movement that’s generally in accord with your principles, you should view it as a source of strength rather than a nuisance. The GOP-e didn’t learn that, however. Instead, they persisted with moving toward the center.
They’ve had their chance. I’m not willing to wait forever for them to wise up. Let them compete with the Constitution Party for conservatives’ allegiance.
I was one of the biggest “Romney boosters on this site” after it was clear that only he could stop Obama. Before that, I wanted nothing to do with him. But don’t let the facts get in your way, Ace.
I think the big issue with the perception of the tea party, republicans, rinos, gope, and neocons is the zealot aura. Everyone seems to have their own particular crusade that they’re persuing and it doesn’t always fit with the average citizen. The left/progressive/socialist/communist/anarchist sect of society is the same, but they come bearing gifts. People are going to look out for themselves. They’re going to look for freebies or the expansion or real or perceived rights. The movement that I hope for and will strive for wants to limit government first and foremost. It is in the people’s self interest to persue limited government. The founders put their personal crusades aside long enough to give us a republic on a leash. Unleash that thing even for a just cause will cause unintended consequences and we will lose liberty. We should be pushing for a liberty party.
Recently this site’s users have been acting negatively towards libertarians. I think anyone on the limited government boat should be welcomed. We may need to build a tiered party with core principals at the fed level and let it be known that other issues are up to the states. We can fight amongst ourselves at the state level but were losing a lot of voters to our own individual crusades. We need to try to provide incentives to act morally instead of mandating it, but only at a state level. I want morons to flock to blue states. I want conservative people to flock to my state. But if the fed can’t control itself, than all states are purple. Neither fitting for a moron lib or a citizen.
We did not go invisible. But a bloody primary produced a lot of carnage. It’s time to limit the number of candidates to the first 5 who declare and muster enough signatures to be a serious candidate. By the primaries, one should have to be in the top 3 percentage-wise so as not to split the vote in so many ways. What a stupid debacle in some races to have 5-6 candidates. The presidential should be limited to 5. The states should be limited to 3 top tier ranking ones. This way there could be a real candidate and not one that won with 25% of the primary vote against 4 other contenders. THAT is plain stupid. We had way too many of those. So, you get a candidate that a majority will not vote for. How crazy is that!?
“We tried that and it didn’t work.”
“Now that Der Fuehrer has been re-elected, we may eventually not have any opposition parties.”
A few weeks ago there was a poll out where supposedly the majority polled said they wanted just one party. When I heard that I thought exactly the same thing.
Damned, if those Founders weren’t brilliant people!
I thought that was the original idea.
My bad.
They caved pretty quickly.
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