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Are you tired? Isn't it time to form the Tea Party to replace a certain other party?
November 7, 2012 | 2ndDivisionVet

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

No more! It's time to form a "Tea Party" to supplant the "me too, me too!" GOP. We tried getting behind a Northeastern "centrist" so as to oust the worst president in our history and we crashed and burned. Einstein said "insanity is doing something over and over and expecting different results" or words to that effect and he was right. Nixon, Ford, the Bush family, Bob Dole, McCain and now Romney. What's wrong with this picture?

The Tea Party numbers in the tens of millions, at minimum. I don't remember any other independent movement in our country of patriots, do you? We need to take the next step, in my opinion. What do you think? And how would we get started?


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes.

I think actual conservatives and the RINO-Liberaltarian Faction have reached a parting of the ways.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:39 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Today I just don’t know.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:47 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At this point, I’d be happy if the election season FR moderates would go away and stop telling us that we need to sell out all of our principles to win.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sarah....for such a time as this. If you get the ball rolling, we’ll stand with you.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:43 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was wondering what would need to be done to establish a Conservative Party in each state, and nationally. New York has one.

I’m getting weary of being told by the Repubs to vote with them and support the establishment candidate.

But, one of the downsides is a chart on O’Reilly tonight that showed something like 41% self-identify as moderate; 23 % as conservative, and something in the low 20s as liberal. That’s a LOT of self-identifed moderates!!!


6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:13 PM PST by BAW (We are the Resistance.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was wondering what would need to be done to establish a Conservative Party in each state, and nationally. New York has one.

I’m getting weary of being told by the Repubs to vote with them and support the establishment candidate.

But, one of the downsides is a chart on O’Reilly tonight that showed something like 41% self-identify as moderate; 23 % as conservative, and something in the low 20s as liberal. That’s a LOT of self-identifed moderates!!!


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:24 PM PST by BAW (We are the Resistance.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now that Der Fuehrer has been re-elected, we may eventually not have any opposition parties.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:18:24 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A platform would be a good place to start.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:18:30 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: BAW; EternalVigilance

There are a lot of minor parties we can invade.

Donald Trump (blech) and Herman Cain have expressed interest in a new party. Might make more sense to join one that is just getting off the ground.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 6:18:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cripplecreek

Ya, what you said! Unfortunately there aren’t enough of us. The upcoming financial collapse is the only event that can offer us hope (assuming we seize the carp)...and damn little hope that is.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:30 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes but carefully. We’re not just going to form a party that storms to power. We need to get a few candidates into the house under the tea party banner while continuing to support the cream of the crop republicans as we grow the brand.

As we grow we can start peeling off the good republicans.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: fatnotlazy

doesn’t look like we have one now


13 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No. We are too fragmented to beat the worst President in history. I suggest less fragmentation and more cooperation. Until such time as we become a majority all splitting up would accomplish is to dilute our political power and get more dims elected.
14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:20:29 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about this suggestion: hey Tea Party, no one has heard a word from you since 2010. Get off you asses and get out the vote, get on TV, get into your neighborhoods. You made a difference in 2010 and then went invisible. Big mistake, one could say you lost this election. I have not heard a work about any Tea Party on my local scene or National news outlet nor anywhere else for months.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:59 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Nuc 1.1

The RINO and liberaltarians are gleefully blaming it on conservatives that THEIR candidate lost, AGAIN.

Why should we stick around? These RINO’s and libertarians are not our allies.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 6:23:22 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds”- Samuel Adams


17 posted on 11/07/2012 6:24:26 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: cripplecreek

Also, getting involved in local Pubbie party machinery will help you to build networks and contacts. Start reshaping the party at the local and go from there.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 6:25:03 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fine by me. The GOP-E brain trust is just going to serve up another RINO four years from now. FoxNews will fall into giddy cheerleading mode, and we’ll see endless interviews by DC’s GOP beltway pundits. They’ll lose the election. And then they’ll vehemently lash out and blame social conservatives, Tea Party people, Palin, evangelicals, and whomever.

It’s like a broken record. And it makes me want to vomit. The GOP as a party has become totally defective. I’ve been a Republican voter my whole life, but at this point, I’d bolt to a genuine conservative third-party at the drop of a hat. That goes double if Palin would lead the way.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 6:26:10 PM PST by greene66
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Tea Parties are already formed across the nation - some big - some small... some very organized and very active - some not so much... Who do you think organized large scale protests in 2009 and 2010 all over numerous American cities - with huge turnouts... ? Who do you think organized the Massive Turn out in Washington, D.C. where about one million people turned out? It was a coalition of Tea Party Groups that organized huge attendance at Town Hall Meetings across the Nation in 2009... You are aware of the Tea Party Caravans from California to D.C. that stopped in a dozen cities or more in 2009? NEWBIE - you need to get in touch with the many ORGANIZED Tea Party Groups across the Nation and see what can be done... You are LATE at the Tea Party it would seem...


20 posted on 11/07/2012 6:26:32 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why, whatever do you mean good sir?!?!

21 posted on 11/07/2012 6:26:38 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: greene66

http://www.selfgovernment.us/about.html


22 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The only wasted vote is one that doesn't represent you.)
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To: All

I don’t think a tea-party candidate would work - they would be considered too far right wing. Some of the athiest Independents wouldn’t like it.

Unfortunately, if they are the party of Santa Claus, we would have to become the party of the Easter Bunny. What freebies are we willing to consider giving? (sarc)


23 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:51 PM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This was posted in a similar thread. I don’t know anything about the org, but am looking over the website:

http://www.conservativehq.com/


24 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:02 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At a minimum, it’s time to have some sort of conservative, or Tea Party pre-convention to select a conservative candidate to run in the Republican presidential primaries. In 2008 and 2012 we had crowded fields with several fairly conservative candidates and then a RINO or two. Each time we ended up with a RINO who won with little more than 35% of the vote at the point where the winner was apparent.

This splitting the conservative primary vote is a proven formula for nominating RINOs. And it could give us Jeb Bush in 2016.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:24 PM PST by Will88
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To: fish hawk

I’ve gone to a few Tea Party events. They were wonderful. And those things provide visibility, crowds, photo ops, and recognition. But in my area there’s not much of an ongoing, centralized organization. No one is more ready for a third party than me!


26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:15 PM PST by ransacked
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My suggestion is that we take a long-term view on the presidency - 12-16 years. The GOP is a damaged brand, as is the “Tea Party” (not the Tea Party philosophy, just the name). There is no point in pursuing either one any more. The media has successfully destroyed them.

Instead, we hijack the Constitution Party and start looking for legitimate candidates who can communicate conservatism in a rational and convincing manner - a cross between Rush Limbaugh and Tom Sellick (I can dream, can’t I?).

In the meantime, we abandon the presidency and concentrate our efforts on getting Tea Party-type people into a majority position in the House and Senate - local and state efforts, not national efforts - more under the radar. If we’re able to do that, whoever is President is immaterial. With 60 senators and a majority in the House, we can get anything passed we want to - overriding a presidential veto as required.

I don’t see any other way at this point. I said early this year that the selection of Mitt Romney as the GOP candidate would be the death of the GOP. We can’t change it from within and I believe that there is no way to convince the mentally-challenged non-conservatives and non-republicans to join us - the media won’t let it happen. It’s time we recognize this and take some positive action to save the Country.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:57 PM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Army Air Corps

That’s true. Tea partiers went to the Michigan state convention here in Michigan and took down the former GOP chair and national committeeman back in the spring. (Saul Anuzis)

They negotiated an acceptable GOP replacement in Dave Agema. He’s an establishment republican but probably a 90+ percent conservative. He was a very acceptable compromise.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Will88

If we run any kind of Bush, whether it be Jeb Bush, George P. Bush, McKenzie Bush, Nigel Bush, Bubba Bush, Trimm “Ed” Bush or whomever, we deserve to lose.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:34:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ICCtheWay

You’re the “newbie” slick. I was at our local Fort Worth rallies, but then ... no follow up.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:36:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

Agreed. The Republican and Tea Party properties have been run down pretty well. A fresh coat of paint won’t sell either anymore.

It’ll have to be something fresh. That way it can be completely self-defining and unburdened by pre-existing baggage from either party real or imagined.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:36:58 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: BAW

Libs lie and claim to be moderates. They hate the liberal label. They are nowhere near moderates.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:38:30 PM PST by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: fish hawk
How about this suggestion: hey Tea Party, no one has heard a word from you since 2010. Get off you asses and get out the vote, get on TV, get into your neighborhoods. You made a difference in 2010 and then went invisible. Big mistake, one could say you lost this election. I have not heard a work about any Tea Party on my local scene or National news outlet nor anywhere else for months.

LOL Not one first person reference to the Tea Party. Were you too afraid to join one?

33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:45 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think it really matters one way or the other at this point. Elections do have consequences. Losing this one the way we did, it’s gonna be pretty difficult to recover from this.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:41:08 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree, but if we don’t have some way of limiting the conservative primary candidates to one or two good ones, then we’ll probably get Jeb or some other RINO in 2016.

With just one vote in each state - no run-offs - primary candidates win the primaries with little more than 1/3 of the votes, and the blue states mostly pick our nominee for us while the several conservatives split the votes in the more conservative states.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:42:03 PM PST by Will88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We tried getting behind a Northeastern "centrist" so as to oust the worst president in our history and we crashed and burned. Einstein said "insanity is doing something over and over and expecting different results" or words to that effect and he was right. Nixon, Ford, the Bush family, Bob Dole, McCain and now Romney. What's wrong with this picture?

You were one of the biggest Romney boosters on this site. Welcome back to conservatism.

36 posted on 11/07/2012 6:42:28 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: GeronL

How correct you are. The Liberatarians are the reason BO won. BO had 10 million less votes because Dems couldn’t even stomach him. Ron Paul and crew decided to stay home and let BO win. Reps. had 2.35 million less voters than Mccain got. That means 2.35 million people would rather be idealistic and lose than win and try to work things out.


37 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:39 PM PST by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not sure of what the meaning of your post is... But I was the Fort Worth Tea Party rally where Gov. Perry spoke... and drove alone to D.C. from North Texas to spend a week at the massive Tea Party D.C. Protest in front of the U.S. Capitol


38 posted on 11/07/2012 6:44:20 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not sure of what the meaning of your post is... But I was at the Fort Worth Tea Party rally where Gov. Perry spoke... and drove alone to D.C. from North Texas to spend a week at the massive Tea Party D.C. Protest in front of the U.S. Capitol


39 posted on 11/07/2012 6:44:46 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Democrat Party has from 55 to 60 million loyal voters. To be anything but a feel good exercise, a Conservative Party would have to attract at least that number. Unfortunately, there are not over 15 to 20 million conservatives of voting age and, given our nature, if we did have a separate party we would immediately began fighting about who was a real conservative and who was CINO.

The Democrat Party is the opponent and unless and until conservative, moderate, and liberal republicans accept that we have more in common with one another than with the democrats, the democrats will continue to win regardless of how many opposition parties we divide into. It is fun to discuss political issues on a narrowly defined web forum such as this, but to win a national election you must have a broad based and cohesive organization capable of competing with the real opposition. We don’t have that now thus we continue to lose.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 6:47:38 PM PST by etcb
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To: DrDude

Let me be clear.

The goals and aims of the liberaltarians are at total variance with the goals and aims of traditional and Christians conservatives.

This pretending to be on the same side is over.

They have shown they are willing to embrace the left in exchange for legal pot. That is as far as they think.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 6:49:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: fatnotlazy

Considering amnesty is now a probability, the 20 million new democrats pretty much rule out any opposition party to the rats.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:50:23 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: ICCtheWay

Sorry for the double posts ... I would delete one if I could
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43 posted on 11/07/2012 6:50:23 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: txrefugee

I say heck yes.

Romney is history. It was obvious from day one he would have a hard time of it, but he was who we had.

Palin would have won, and will win the next election should she step forward NOW and help us build a winning team.

How about it Palin? Now is the time.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 6:50:38 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh please stop it. This 3rd party fantasy crap is such a waste of time. It’s just not going to happen. Each cycle we end up with some goofball like Virgil Goode running a vanity campaign which will never achieve anything except maybe being a spoiler - if they are lucky. Even Ron Paul figured out that 3rd party’s don’t work in this country. The primaries are for trying to push the right of center party in the direction you want - that is your chance to really fight for candidates you truly believe in. General elections are almost always going to be a choice between the only 2 candidates that can win in a 2 party system.

Now is the time to look at the exit polls, analyze what happened and get serious about what we can do about winning over the demographics we need to be a serious national party in the future. Flailing around with dopey 3rd party fantasies won’t get us anywhere.

In 2016 we are going to have the same silliness we had this time around. Conservatives that don’t get their candidate of choice nominated will stomp around and threaten to stay home. There will be a whole bunch of whining about the “establishment” as usual. Then the desire to finally win will overwhelm everything else and most of us will rally around our candidate and try to take the White House back. There will be a few dead-enders who refuse to do anything productive to help win, but then that is always the case and those people achieve absolutely nothing.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 6:51:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: fish hawk
No word from the Tea Party!!!, your right about that.

Started out with a BIG BANG, then pooped out. Reason I think it did was because So many wanted to be the head honcho, and the movement divided and splintered.

In Okla., that is what happened. First one a big success and was thrilling to see that spontaneous happening, and gave me so much hope.

Then it started, This one thought they were the leader, another one thought the same and so on. Each had a different idea and bad mouth the other.

In the long run you didn't know which one to move with, and it was gone. Each had an agenda for their personal success. There is the problem in a nutshell.

I am not willing to give my allegiance to just anyone.

46 posted on 11/07/2012 6:54:28 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Palin would have won, and will win the next election should she step forward NOW and help us build a winning team.

Yeah, right. Palin isn't going to join some ridiculous 3rd party effort and I seriously doubt she is ever going to run for President at this point. She's got a great gig as a commentator on Fox News making good money, and I'd bet that is what she sticks with.

47 posted on 11/07/2012 6:56:19 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: cripplecreek; gorush
I agree. BTW CC, I love the tagline.......it seems as if I have had to say/type that a lot lately.

For some people, "Moral Absolutes" aren't really "Absolute" but, Myth appreciated their vote just the same.

48 posted on 11/07/2012 7:00:05 PM PST by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Conservatism is the answer. Unapologetic, in your face, fighting pit bull scorched earth full beast mode conservatism.

The GOP is failed.

Karl Rove and his like have killed conservatism within its ranks rendering themselves useless.

The GOP is dead, they just don't know it yet and will continue moving left trying to regain significance.

Kill it with fire.

Conservatism is our last best hope while the GOP is serving up liberalism in toxic doses.

Screw em. They did this to us. They are fired.

"We have met the enemy and he is us."

49 posted on 11/07/2012 7:03:36 PM PST by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: fish hawk

The Tea Party, from the very beginning, has been about supporting Conservative candidates, and NOT supporting RINOs. If we nominate a RINO for President, why would we ever expect them to give their full support? That’s just wishful thinking.

Of course, the Tea Party itself bears a lot of blame for the RINO getting nominated. Conservatives need to get our act together before the next elections and pick one vetted candidate to back before the primaries even start.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:22 PM PST by Boogieman
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