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45% of doctors would quit over public health care
Patriot Room ^ | 2009-09-15 | Robert

Posted on 09/15/2009 6:28:14 PM PDT by pocket5s

An IBD/TIPP poll found that two out of three physicians oppose the overhaul plan that congress is working on.

The kicker though is that hundreds of thousands would consider closing their doors or retire early if the plan were to pass. In 2006 there were some 800,000 doctors. 45% would be about 360,000. Scary huh?

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TOPICS: Issues
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2009polls; bhohealthcare; healthcare; physicians; publicoption

1 posted on 09/15/2009 6:28:14 PM PDT by pocket5s
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To: pocket5s

The LATimes sai yesterday the AMA is in full support.

Who’s lying.


2 posted on 09/15/2009 6:33:56 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: pocket5s

Very scary.


3 posted on 09/15/2009 6:34:13 PM PDT by mia
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To: pocket5s

No worries...I’m sure ACORN can pick up the slack...


4 posted on 09/15/2009 6:34:50 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: pocket5s
They will do them the same as the Ayatollah in Iran.

They will arrest their grand kids.

5 posted on 09/15/2009 6:36:33 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: edcoil
The LATimes sai yesterday the AMA is in full support.

Who’s lying.

Since the AMA represents only a fraction of the medical doctors in this country, the true answer is likely to be nobody is lying, per se. The only lie is the implication that the AMA speaks for doctors on the whole, when they do not...

the infowarrior

6 posted on 09/15/2009 6:38:38 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: edcoil
The LATimes sai yesterday the AMA is in full support.

I believe the AMA only represents something like a third of doctors.

7 posted on 09/15/2009 6:39:16 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: pocket5s
Well, "quitting" and "consider quitting" are two different things. The real possibility is a "brain drain" like what Britain went through after nationalizing health care--an exodus of doctors that became a flood. Difference now is, there will be no US to flee to. My guess is the next best option will be Carribean islands and central American countries like Belize. India already offers first rate surgery at cut-rate prices including travel and a vacation at a five star hotel. The Obama regime might be able to stifle small neighbors but India is a different matter.
8 posted on 09/15/2009 6:39:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (truth--the liberal's kryptonite.)
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To: edcoil
The LATimes sai yesterday the AMA is in full support.

The AMA is a political group representing a small fraction of doctors. Both are truthful, but the LAT story is misleading because the AMA only speaks for the most liberal of doctors, not the majority.

9 posted on 09/15/2009 6:39:51 PM PDT by TurtleUp (I believe that America is good and that human life is good, so I'm a conservative.)
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To: edcoil
The LATimes said yesterday the AMA is in full support.

The AMA represents only 20% of doctors, and is hardly unanimous at that. So their "support" means little compared to a survey of physicians at large.

10 posted on 09/15/2009 6:41:32 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (truth--the liberal's kryptonite.)
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To: pocket5s

Now wait a minute!! I was told on the NEWS yesterday that over 50% of doctors WANT a public option because they are (and I quote) “very happy with Medicare and Medicaid”.


11 posted on 09/15/2009 6:42:04 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: edcoil
The LATimes sai yesterday the AMA is in full support.

That's right... I read something along those lines too... I need to ask some of the medical professionals that I know about and ask them what they think about it...

12 posted on 09/15/2009 6:43:17 PM PDT by John123 (If Teddy was the lion of the senate... then we were the prey.)
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To: pocket5s

Quit and do what? Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure that a sizable percentage don’t like what they see in Obama’s hell-th care plan but six figure jobs aren’t exactly falling out of trees.


13 posted on 09/15/2009 6:44:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: edcoil
Doesn't AMA only have about 15% of doctors now? ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
14 posted on 09/15/2009 6:47:53 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: edcoil

AMA represents a very small portion - about 15% of these doctors. Let them be in full support. The rest of the doctors AREN’T!


15 posted on 09/15/2009 6:48:31 PM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: pocket5s

Doctors are already peeling themselves from the AMA, which hilariously, only speaks for 18-19% of all practicing doctors.


16 posted on 09/15/2009 6:48:39 PM PDT by cranked
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To: pocket5s

I don’t believe that for a second.


17 posted on 09/15/2009 6:48:45 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: mia

My brother-in-law is a physician. He’s taking active steps to prepare for an early retirement if obamacare is passed.
Just down-sized his house, saving aggressively, not buying
new vehicles even though his wife is currently driving an 8 year old vehicle.

His college age children were required to attend a state university where they had scholarships vs. the private schools to which they really wanted to attend.

And from what I can gather, many of his colleagues are taking similar steps.

Gonna be a MASSIVE doctor shortage!


18 posted on 09/15/2009 6:49:09 PM PDT by Josa
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To: infowarrior

I’ve heard said the AMA represents approx a third of doctors.


19 posted on 09/15/2009 6:51:22 PM PDT by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: Nachum

Ping.


20 posted on 09/15/2009 6:53:11 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: BonRad
I’ve heard said the AMA represents approx a third of doctors.

33% isn't 100% where I come from, and I doubt it is where you come from, either. But in "Loony Land", one might suppose that it is...

the infowarrior

21 posted on 09/15/2009 6:57:03 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: pocket5s

Many physicians, including myself, will go to a cash only practice and not have to be bothered with insurance, medicare/medicaid billings, and the associated overhead costs. In fact, many such practices, and concierge medicine, already exist everywhere, and probably will become the norm. We will give up our hospital privileges and perform our exams and procedures at our clinics or at the outpatient surgical centers for cash. It’s already happening. Many opthalmologists, ENT’s, plastic surgeons, OMFS, orthopedic surgeons, urologists, dermatologists, and general surgeons no longer come to the hospital at all. If a case is too complex or the patient too critical, they get sent to the ER for the on call folks to take care of. EMTALA is already an unfunded mandate and it’s about to get worse.


22 posted on 09/15/2009 6:57:38 PM PDT by dit_xi
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To: Jet Jaguar

Saw this. Very good piece.


23 posted on 09/15/2009 6:58:46 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: pocket5s

As stated by many, the AMA does not speak for anyone except a small amount of adminsitrators. A very small amount of docs belong to the AMA, and for those who do pay their dues, there’s hardly a concensus about what they do or don’t “stand for”.

I’ve said it many times, and this notion hasnt taken any traction yet, but it will become evident soon, and that is this: Doctors, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, pharmacies...basically anyone who is in the business of dlivering health care stay in business because of private insurance payments. These contracts are negotiated and are a neccessary element for businesses to stay solvent.
Once a public health care option becomes available, then all the delivery systems...all the doc’s offices, clinics, hospitals etc will bleed and eventually go bankrupt.
Private insurance subsidizes the huge losses that the docs clinics take on caring for Meidcare and Medicaid.
Once that subsidy evaporates and the public sector grows, profitability will be impossible.

A public option will bankrupt all the delivery systems.
Its not if, but when.

This is economic sabbotage and hostile takeover.


24 posted on 09/15/2009 7:11:51 PM PDT by schwingdoc
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To: infowarrior

I have already told the AARP to pack sand on me being a member due to their position.


25 posted on 09/15/2009 7:14:16 PM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: schwingdoc

The AMA is basically a publishing firm with a hefty government contract to administer the CPT Code System, by updating the codes and re-publishing them every year, and then selling copies to every doctor, hospital, etc, in the country. The gov’t contract to manage the Medicare/caid codes was to bring them on board, so to speak, in the great Collectivist concept...the group doesn’t really have much to do with professional medicine.


26 posted on 09/15/2009 7:17:15 PM PDT by browniexyz
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To: pocket5s

Hold on, that must be 80% disagree -- it's ALWAYS 4 out of 5 doctors...

27 posted on 09/15/2009 7:22:20 PM PDT by mikrofon (Survey sez...)
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To: autumnraine

Try to find a doctor who accepts Medicare. Seems the only docs who do in our neck of the woods take it from their long term patients who have grown old.


28 posted on 09/15/2009 7:22:55 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: cranked

The AMA speaks for physicians just like AARP speaks for senior citizens.


29 posted on 09/15/2009 7:23:29 PM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: Josa

I’ve said this over and over. The unintended consequences of socialized medicine will be the mass exit of physicians who are already fed up with paperwork and faceless numbskulls dictating what they get paid and what they can do. I for one am already getting ready. Like your brother in law I have paid off all debts and have decided I can live on what I have put aside and my USAF pension. Its now up to the totalitarians in congress and senate. I figure I have another 2 years and I am ready to exit but if provoked I can leave earlier.


30 posted on 09/15/2009 7:23:39 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: Chickensoup

yeah, at my age I am NOT changing doctors anytime soon. or maybe I should find a younger doc who won’t be able to retire if obamacare gets passed.


31 posted on 09/15/2009 7:24:09 PM PDT by tioga ("You lie!" Joe Wilson 9-9-09)
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To: tioga

I am eyeballing a younger one. Trying to find a conservative one too. Difficult.


32 posted on 09/15/2009 7:26:28 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: Chickensoup

LOL.......I have had the same doctor since I moved here over 25 years ago......sadly I am not changing docs, I hope he gets a younger replacement that I can abide by.


33 posted on 09/15/2009 7:28:27 PM PDT by tioga ("You lie!" Joe Wilson 9-9-09)
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To: pocket5s

Not to worry; there’s a socialist solution for every problem.

If there aren’t enough doctors, they’ll just begin mandatory end-of-life counseling for everyone over the age of 50.

Problem solved.


34 posted on 09/15/2009 7:28:48 PM PDT by lurk
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To: pocket5s

I think you’ll see a proliferation of clinics opening along the Mexican border, or in the Bahamas.

Already a lot of people cross over going to clinics on the Mexican side. You’ll see a lot more of it, but spreading to places people with money would rather be like the Caribbean.

You’ll see more people leaving the country for treatment. Paying cash, in countries where the cash will go farther. Already there are people who fly to India for treatment, or Brazil. You’ll see more of it.

A lot of people think they want what O’s selling, but they don’t want to be subjected to it themselves.


35 posted on 09/15/2009 7:29:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: lurk
Not to worry; there’s a socialist solution for every problem.

and even when there isn't a problem one will be invented to justify the solution.

36 posted on 09/15/2009 7:37:48 PM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: NMEwithin

“No worries...I’m sure ACORN can pick up the slack...”

Yeah, instead of “barefoot doctors” like China had, we’ll have “doctors in $200 sneakers.”


37 posted on 09/15/2009 7:45:14 PM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: Josa

Can he just switch over and become a vet? Seems the
dogs and cats have it better than the humans.


38 posted on 09/15/2009 7:49:08 PM PDT by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: pocket5s
I know people in the medical field and I think the number is higher. Not good with the influx of patients expected in the coming years.
39 posted on 09/15/2009 8:55:34 PM PDT by 444Flyer ( "Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers."--Mignon McLaughlin)
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