Posted on 06/08/2008 7:12:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The media fell all over themselves when Obama spoke in front of AIPAC as he did his best to cozy up to the Jewish community. But the media fails to mention that the liberal wing of the Democrat party is dangerously close to outright anti-Semitism (if not there already). Charles Johnson has detailed this extensively every time someone at Obama-backing Daily Kos (including old "screw them" Kos himself) lets down their guard and lets their true anti-Semitism be seen.
Still the Jewish vote goes for whatever Democrat happens to be running. I'm guessing that they feel that a Jewish president or vice presidential candidate will eventually be elected and he or she will be a Democrat. What they fail to see what the libs did to Joe Lieberman as soon as he strayed too far off the reservation for their liking; they advocated hard against him forcing him to win as an independent.
But what of Barack Obama? Well, his own site delved into the anti-Semitic waters today before being expunged from the site. Charles carries these two screen caps:
(AT LINK)
Pleasant, huh? This from sites that are run and owned by Obama or his people. Note in the second image the Star of David with a dollar sign, a nice touch there.
Back to Obama speaking at AIPAC. He said the right things but why do I get the feeling that his people are talking to Muslim leaders and saying that he really didn't mean it, it's just politics you know like when he called for the repeal of NAFTA and his people were telling Canada and expressing that it was just politically expedient to say such things. You know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Maybe one day the Jews will wake up and realize that the GOP has done more for Jews and Israel than the Donks ever did. President Bush was fully supportive of the Israeli attacks against Syrian nuke sites and has been about the best friend they have had going back to the anti-Israeli Durban conference. Perhaps they will finally get it when Obama abandons them when they need it most.
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yeah, right. Keep voting Democrats and you won't have a choice.
More moonbat liberal than Jewish would be my bet.
that sort of mindset is actually the problem
Because jews hate jews.
They see supporting Democrats as a link to a heritage of prosecution. If they admit that this is the promised land, that they have it made, they lose their legacy, they would have to identify with the top dogs, the winners.
Some people would rather support anti-semites who pose a real threat to Israel than forfeit the right to claim to be prosecuted.
I think I’m missing your point. Please clarify.
Liberalism.
I havw wondered this often. The numbers of Jewish Nobel Prize winners are heavily in favor of Jewish winners over muslems even though muslems have a huge advantage in population. The reason that 80% or so of Jewish voters side with “D” candidates who support the islamists is completely beyond me.
Why do Catholics vote Democrat?
The answer is — most were raised as “Red Diaper Doper Babies” — with DNA from Eastern Europe’s Communist Leaning Jews...
They felt more allegiance to Stalin and the Communist forces that “liberated” them from the Nazis and then enslaved them.
Many remain Communists to this day — but under new more “acceptable” labels: Democrat, Liberal, Progressive, Leftist, etc...
This is one of the most perplexing questions I’ve had as well. For the life of me, I simply can not make any sense of why Jews support the dims... It seems to me that Jews, in general, would never support the vast majority of the party planks adopted by the dims...
“Why do Catholics vote Democrat?”
Uh, they don’t. But jews vote Democrat in a ridiculously high percentage of their population. Primarily because they would rather have control, which they do in the Democrat party. They choose control and influence, to serve their own interests, over what is best for everyone in the mix. Sorry guys, just the way it is.
Every Catholic I know is hot and heavy for Obama. I don’t get it. I ask these people “How can you be Catholic and be pro-choice at the same time?” and they just say “Well, because he’s the Democrat.”
Baffling.
btt
Like many liberals, guilt. In their case, Jewish guilt.
Because in the past the Country Club Republicans excluded both Catholics and Jews from their clubs, had restrictive covenants on their houses, blocked entry to professional schools and colleges... etc
The irony, most of the descendents of the Country Clubbers who did this stuff aren’t even Republicans anymore (and the rest are RINOs).
But the Republican brand name still gets blamed...
However, i think there is some polling data suggesting large numbers of jews may be ready to move away from the ‘Rats - and i think Obama is the one to move them.
Half of Catholics vote democrat.
http://www.catholicvote.net/research_polls/catholic_vote/index.htm
>>For the life of me, I simply can not make any sense of why Jews support the dims.
IMHO, most of our “lox and bagel” (secular) Jewish brothers and sisters confuse social-justice with social-ism.
Jews vote Democrat because the Democratic Party was taken into the small ‘c’ communist orbit - and, many of America’s Jews are de facto communists.
The nasty fact is, much of the success of socialism in America is due to the efforts of American Jews.
“They choose control and influence, to serve their own interests, over what is best for everyone in the mix. Sorry guys, just the way it is.”
Sorry, that’s just Not the way it is.
As has been noted before, Jews earn like Episcopalians but vote like Porto Ricans. Can you imagine Jewish lawyers, doctors, engineers, accountants screaming Tax Me! Tax Me Even More!
But they vote for that which will increase their taxes.
Why those with high incomes would want ever increasing government, with the resulting increased taxes, amazes me.
Why do so many of the Jewish faith, support gun control?...
That one seems particularly odd.
“Half the Catholics vote Democrat.”
Just like the country as a whole, about a 50-50 split.
As I said in the prior post, ‘they choose control and influence, to serve their own interests, over what is best for everyone in the mix’.
They were the driving force for the leftward push in this country beginning in the 60’s, and they have enjoyed their influence since and they don’t want to give it up. They have nowhere near that level of influence in the Republican party.
some do though.....Irish, Italian, Poles etc
but not to the degree that we pander to blacks as a community, Jews with regard to Israel or maybe some other groups.
this is an odd year.....liberal jews will have to think which motivates them more...fear of the Christian right which is low with Mccain or conserns of Israel which ought to be high with Obama
but isn't it sort of odd to have a bloc of American voters for whom we as a nation rightfully support their kinsmen in a sea of nutcases always preoccupied about a foreign nation of like identity folks and at the same time everyone including Jews eschew that very sort of identity chauvinism in others.
look at me as a White Southern Christian...I'm 50, for many years I've watched politics unfold and my government take sides contrary to folks I felt some racial or religious affinity and sympathy for:
Rhodesia
South Africa
East Timor
Kosovo
Bosnia
Even though I support Israel and my nation does as well and at a price that has far reaching consequences and most Jews frankly have no appreciation of that from a Christian Conservative and they would loathe my support of my racial or religious kinsmen yet it's not just accepted for them to do the same damned thing but rather celebrated and pandered to by the media and politicians.
And like I said....they(lib jews) don't appreciate it much, their loathing of Christian conservatism being what it is.
Jews should foremost think about what's good for America which rightfully is usually what's good for Israel but then why do so many liberal Jews want that yet wish to destroy what made America great because they fear that power when wielded?
....serpentine enough rant for ya? it should be noted that Israelis that I have known appreciate us very very much.
sorry for the incomprhensible rant
Same question as to why many Jews knowing the dire consequences of the Nazi's continued to aid and abet those who would eventually destroy them?
McCarthy & American Jews.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927254/posts
Waves of immigrants came to the USA from 1880-1920: the Poles the Italians the Irish the Jews. Most of these ethnic groups voted for FDR by large majorities in 1932, 1936 & 1940, but over time they have assimilated and become less politically monolithic. Yet to this day the American jews still vote democratic by hefty majorities. Why? It is because Hollywood still strenuously maintains the communist lie about the 1950-54 McCarthy era. That lie is maintained by the recent movies “A Beautiful Mind,” and “Good Night and Good Luck”.
Shortly before his death in 1953 Stalin initiated the Doctor’s Plot. There are various reasons given for that. The KGB hated Israel. Many Americans who were enthusiastic supporters of the UN were Jewish. Edvard Radzinsky in his book “Stalin” argues that while at one time Stalin hoped Jewish financial capital would help rebuild the Soviet Union after the WWII, Stalin hated the prospect of suborning himself to the Baruch Plan and he flat out rejected IAEA nuclear controls—presented in 1946 (an attitude is not entirely dissimliar to that of Iran today.) The Russians were working on their own A-bomb based on stolen US designs. Stalin, himself a Geogian, wanted to insure that the Russians saw a Russian face to a Communist Party which was top heavy with Jews.
Whatever the reason, Stalin fomented the Doctor’s plot hysteria and broke off diplomatic relations with Israel. He was within days of preparing to exile the Soviet Jews to the Gulag (as was done previously with various other ethnic minorities such as the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, etc.), and initiate another great purge along the lines of 1938.
Stalin already had the concentration camps set up, and some of the preliminary accusations had gone out for the Doctor’s Plot. 100 or so Russian jews had already been executed when he died in 1953. The important thing to recall is that the Doctor’s Plot happened at the same time as the McCarthy anti communist business from 1950-54. Also in 1953, in the US the Rosenburgs were tried and executed for treason—and this less than a decade after the Holocaust. This naturally caused fear and suspicion in the US Jewish community. This fear and suspicion was played upon by knowledgeable communists and leftists—large numbers of whom were themselves jewish. These folk not only knew about what Stalin had done in the 1930s and had been about to do with the doctor’s plot before he died, but also saw the McCarthy trials as show trials american style . . . that is, a prelude to an american pogrom. For which the Rosenbergs were exhibit A.
In a brilliant piece of jujitsu, leftists and communists imputed to Americans on the right exactly what Stalin had planned to do. But it was done soto voce. Basically, a blood libel was perpetrated on Americans without their knowing it. Worse, Christian America was painted as the tribal enemy tooth and claw of the US jewish establishment without Christian America even knowing it. Never again! — Was the battle cry. But there weren’t any such enemies of Jews in the USA. If there actually had been Christian tribal enemies in the USA, Meyer Kahane and his Jewish Defense League would have provoked them into a bloodletting. Why did Meyer Kahane behave the way he did? Because he heard the same thing as everyone else - all the Jews, that is. He heard about enemies of the jews in the heartland. But when he went to give battle, the only sorts of fights the JDL could find resulted in unintelligible court disputes in places like Idaho. In the end, Kahane married an American woman & helped expedite Stalin’s last wish—to rid Russia of Jews. When his American wife committed suicide, Kahane lost interest in the USA and focused instead on Israel. When Kahane died in 1990 it was at the hands of a Moslem.
While the American public outside NY/LA were generally given the view that the McCarthy era was an age when innocent men were unjustly tried by suspicious anti semites like McCarthy & Nixon, the NY/LA Jewish establishment was given a very different story. They were given to understand that the democrats/liberals had prevented the US from visiting a holocaust on them - and that American Jews owed their loyalty to the liberal democrats because the liberal democrats were the protectors of the Jews. And this Meme went on untouched for decades after McCarthy.
This dual track story line didn’t crack until the early 1990’s when the KGB/NKVD/GRU opened up their files on the WWII-McCarthy period. In 1995 the US’s National Security Agency opened up their Venona files. Both Russian and American spy agency files showed that McCarthy was right. The Rosenburgs were guilty. The US government —notably including the Manhattan Project—had been at one time soaked with Russian Spies. While McCarthy had the details wrong, he got the general outline of the story right. Why did McCarthy get the outline right and the details wrong? The reason is that McCarthy’s relationship to Hoover was the same as Hoover’s relationship to the NSA.
The NSA told the FBI about the Venona intercepts but insisted that the FBI could not use NSA intercepts as evidence in court. The FBI had to develop their own leads. As a result most of the spies escaped prosecution. The FBI did not get their man.
In 1950 J. Edgar Hoover began weekly meetings with Joseph McCarthy. Those meetings ended in 1954. The beginning and end of those meetings coincided with the beginning and end of McCarthy star turn in the national spot light. McCarthy got most of the details of the spy story wrong but he got the general outline of the story right. His predicament was the same as that of the FBI. Whatever Hoover told him—McCarthy could not use in the senate hearings. To this day the FBI denies that Hoover told McCarthy anything about the Venona Cables and maybe Hoover said nothing explicit to McCarthy for which Hoover could be liable in court.
Needless to say, an American style shoah was never in the cards.
The reason that Hollywood hated Ronald Reagan so much was that he was an anti communist in Hollywood during the McCarthy period. To be staunchly anti communist in Hollywood or NYC at that time was to be at least vaguely anti semitic because in the 30’s to the 50’s communism was considered to be almost a secular form of Judaism in the Jewish communities of NY/LA. Given the reputation of the Jews in capitalist countries as the quintessential capitalists, this seems ironic. But in Russia, communism was a way to get ahead for the jews. And in addition to the opportunities communism presented to Jews, there was a biblical antecedent for jewish communists in the bible in the person of Joseph in Egypt because the relationship between Jews to Joseph’s Egypt maps over well to that between Jews and Communist Russia. And the history of the Jews from Joseph to Moses looks very similar to the rise to prominence of many Jews in the soviet communist bureaucracy from the 1917-1970 and the decades long expulsion of Russia’s jews after 1970 when it became clear that communism was not working. The Russians blamed Russian jews for the failure of communism.
Reagan was among the first wave of FDR democrats to switch parties. Reagan’s star turn in Hollywood ended after McCarthy, but his experiences in Hollywood served him well when he went into public service. He always understood the jujitsu of media talk of the age. Something that cannot be said of Nixon. Nixon’s rise to prominance began with his role with the House Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC)—a role for which gained visceral leftist enemies with long memories (in the way John Kerry gained prominence during the Viet Nam era and made visceral enemies of the swift boat veterans.) Nixons fall also coincides with the Russian expulsion of Russia’s jews.
I would not argue that Nixon paid the price for Russia’s expulsion of Russian jews. That stretches the point. However, when I hear American based Moslems talking about McCarthyism being visited on them, I have to laugh. They have unknowingly pronounced themselves guilty in the eyes of many Americans.
The history of the McCarthy period now is forgotten among American Jews except for the vague idea that somehow Republicans are bad and somehow Democrats are good.
As for the Democrats, part of the reason for the loss of their inner coherence in the last decade has been that the part of their foundational raison d’être which stems from the McCarthy era was revealed to be based on a lie. So now the core of the Democratic Party is the sodomites. Those people are not just confusing, they are confused.
David Horowitz interviewed by Rush Limbaugh some months ago — talked about how his parents were communists and he was a communist in college. He said when he was in college his views were always treated respectfully by his professors. But, he said recently, a young Christian college student told him that his homosexual college professor had singled him out in class and asked him “Why do you Christians hate queers?” Asked why he continued to do what he did in the face of all the abuse he gets, David Horowitz said that - like Rush - he took public political positions because he had to. But also he said he did it as a matter of atonement.
He gets it.
Venona Historical Writings that include comparisons of venona and russian spy lists and the changing venona story in the academy. http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page43.html http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/index.html
Not in others. Just in white people. It's because nonwhites/nonChristians know that they are not included in this white Christian identity & they fear they will be marginalized at best & killed at worst in such a society. Like they were before. So everyone works to suppress it, while at the same time doing what comes natural: supporting their own people. I'm not American or white or Christian but this is what I think is going on.
That was my first thought as well. It must be some kind of self flagellation complex that only a psychiatrist could explain.
It's the only thing that makes sense.
And it's not only about Israel. The Democrats are the party of "gun control" and disarming the citizenry. It's as if Jews want to make sure they are unarmed in case that day arrives again where an oppressive National Socialist Democrat Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Democrat Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP or simply "the Nazi Party", or even more simply "the Democrats") decides to herd them into the boxcars.
It's always been a real head-scratcher.
Thank you: I knew much of that from my days in intelligence, but not all, and certainly not the “big picture” that you described. My late father, a retired Marine, had a hard time switching to the GOP in the Nixon era because Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt had personally saved his depression-racked family from starvation, but switch he did, once the democrats showed their true colors with McGovern, et al..
See post #29
That’s a terrific post.
FRegards,
LH
that’s not very sound reasoning...not you personally
non-whites kill others unllike themselves more frequently than vice versa nowadays
i mean where are white christians hunting down folks unlike themeselves anywhere in modern history
meanwhile whites/and or white christians are under attack by differing peoples in:
American black ghetttos given the opportunity.
Africa from the 1960s Congo and Kenyan Mau Maus forward.
Anywhere in the Muslim world.
These non-whites are using white guilt for ridiculous judgement of the past to manipulate weakminded whites to go along with their usurping what was traditional “white” political power when in fact the non whites want the same damned thing they loathed the whites for having in the first place.
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Human nature....folks align with folks who look and believe like them and all the deconstruction we submit to in the west will never change that.
Future generations of whites will wake up one day.
Uh, they don’t.
Uhh...actually they do. Hispanics are mostly catholic and they vote democRAT about 60% of the time. McCain is now getting a 29% approval rating with hispanics which is interesting because it is about 5% less than dubya got in 2004.
These non-whites are using white guilt for ridiculous judgement of the past to manipulate weakminded whites to go along with their usurping what was traditional “white” political power when in fact the non whites want the same damned thing they loathed the whites for having in the first place.
Sure, but that's because PC/multiculturalism/white guilt is just a form of aggression that whites are powerless to counter, as most of them can't even recognize it as aggression in the first place.
http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page47.html
Reflections on Ellen Schrecker and Maurice Isserman’s essay, “The Right’s Cold War Revision”
by John Earl Haynes
Interesting read
The illegal aliens and their d@mn anchor babies know full well what that might mean: Possible legally sound deportation a la the registration process.
On the other hand, if the criminals and their spawn jump into bed with the democrats, they know they can continue their lawless and sinful lifestyles without any problems from the US government.
How many times have I heard Obama even mention border security? Absolutely ZERO.
The man has ZERO intention of enforcing the law on any illegal aliens because he knows he will lose their votes if he mentions punishing criminals.
Heck, I always thought that the democrats were heavily favored by illegal aliens and other assorted criminals because the democrats are such wimps when it comes to the criminal justice process.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVAmFSODlH0
I wonder what percentage of American Jews actually give a damn about what happens to Israel.
They embrace liberalism because they want to be seen as elite by the elites.
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This thread is about a group of people whose historical voting pattern is heavily-weighted to one party. Catholics vote about 50-50 across the board, they don’t belong in this discussion, and who cares about one segment of the Catholic block, especially when half of them are illegals.
The answer at this time is not yet clear, but from what I have seen and heard personally, this Presidential election is likely to be different than ones in the recent past when gauged by the depth of Jewish support for the Democrat standard-bearer.
I am Jewish - and have been a conservative Republican for more than 25 years. I am a decided minority within a minority - but I am not alone. The phenomenon of Jewish -Democrat affiliation has been explored in depth by many observers over the years and better than I can do in this space. Suffice it to say that it is a cultural and not a religious phenomenon, in part an accident of history and of location, and has endured in spite of broader assimilation by Jews into mainstream American life. Years - centuries of persecution, actually, have created an instinctive bond among American Jews that is reinforced by physical proximity, predominantly in the New York metropolitan area, but in other enclaves as well, such as Brookline, Massachusetts; Hartford, Connecticut; Skokie, Illinois; the larger Los Angeles, CA area; and Miami, Florida.
This year, there is a buzz, and an unfamiliar one for many. Much of this is occurring quietly, below the radar, so to speak, but it is real and more significant than the usual cultural angst that one would expect from a people who tend to be more than a little openly emotional in any event.
Take it for what it's worth, but in speaking with my Jewish friends and relatives, few of whom share my proud right-wing views, they are very, very nervous about Barack Obama, his entourage, and his meshuggenah wife. Several have quietly informed me that they plan to vote for John McCain, but haven't yet told anyone. The consensus is that Obama would not only be bad for Israel's security, but his lack of experience and the radical anger of the people around him would be bad for America's as well. Anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but the one thing you've got to know about us Jews is that we like to tell a good story, and this could be a very interesting one indeed.
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Forget the "doper" part for a second, which didn't come into the picture until the ultraleft got into the "social revolution" of the 60s. That certainly wasn't predominantly Jewish, although Jewish youth participated in disproportional percentages.
There were a few "Red Diaper Babies" in just about every Jewish community in the late 40s and 50s, although they were a distinct minority within a minority.. The large majority of American Jews during that period were distinctly patriotic and anti-Soviet, and many fought the Reds successfully for control of Jewish and predominantly Jewish institutions, e.g., unions.
So you are overestimating the percentage of (nominally) Jewish Commies during the post-WWII era.
The next time you hear anyone - Jewish or not - talk about "social justice," ask him to define what "social justice" is and watch him hem and haw. It's just some meaningless Marxist catch phrase. Judaism embraces the concept of righteous justice, not "social justice." Imposing "social justice" inevitably creates injustice.
The issue of why Jews vote predominantly for ‘Rats has come up very frequently in FR discussions over the several years I’ve been here.
I’d suggest that there has been a slow movement away from the ‘Rats over the past several decades, as younger Jews are more likely to convert to the GOP than their parents and grandparents. This will be accelerated in future generations because of, among other factors, more orthodox Jews in the Jewish population because of larger birth rates.
The ‘Rat policies and agenda, of course, are increasingly troublesome to the American Jewish community as a whole.
As to McCain vs. Obama, look for McCain to get at least 40% of the Jewish vote, the largest percentage for a GOP presidential candidate since Harding in 1920.
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