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Why NASA's First Landing On The Moon in 50 Years Matters - It's Commercial, Cryogenic & Confused
YouTube ^ | February 24, 2024 | Scott Manley (fly safe)

Posted on 02/26/2024 5:54:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Intuitive Machines have successfully soft landed on the Moon, carrying a number of payloads for NASA, this represents a return to the moon for the USA. However far more significantly, it's the first purely commercial lander to land on the surface of the moon, and the first lunar lander to use purely cryogenic propellents for all its deep space maneuvering. Both of these factors are core to NASA's Artemis program, and so seeing success here is important to NASA's plans.

However.

It's far from a perfect success, because it appears to have fallen over during the landing, and this is limiting the communications with the Earth, it's not clear how much science will be possible with the lunar surface payloads, but at least 3 of the payloads already contributed directly to the success of the landing.
Why NASA's First Landing On The Moon in 50 Years Matters - It's Commercial, Cryogenic & Confused | 18:05
Scott Manley | 1.66M subscribers | 768,620 views | February 24, 2024
Why NASA's First Landing On The Moon in 50 Years Matters - It's Commercial, Cryogenic & Confused | 18:05 | Scott Manley | 1.66M subscribers | 768,620 views | February 24, 2024

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0:04·hello it's Scott Manley here it has been
0:06·an extraordinarily exciting and uh
0:09·confusing last few days for fans of
0:11·spaceflight as we watched the
0:13·culmination of the im1 mission from
0:17·intuitive machines carrying the space
0:19·probe adicus to the lunar surface it
0:22·launched just over a week ago on a
0:24·falcon 9 a commercial rocket right and
0:27·it's important to note that this is a
0:29·commercial lunar Mission uh intuitive
0:31·machines is a private company they did a
0:33·lot of the development on their own
0:35·albeit with some occasional NASA funding
0:38·this Mission the anchor customer was
0:40·NASA who spent on something like $120
0:44·million for their payloads to go on this
0:47·spacecraft to the moon but they were not
0:49·by any means the only customers on this
0:52·Mission as it happens this was the
0:54·second mission of the Year following
0:56·this uh commercial model from NASA the
0:58·first being astrobotics paragr Lander
1:01·which launched on the first Vulcan
1:02·rocket and then promptly overpressured
1:05·its propellant tanks due to a valve
1:06·malfunction swung around the moon and
1:09·then burned up in the atmosphere and to
1:11·astrobotics credit while they didn't
1:13·make it to the surface of the Moon they
1:14·got a lot of love from the community
1:16·because of their openness and they're
1:18·willing to share details of spacecraft
1:21·operations even after it was clear it
1:23·was never going to make to the surface
1:25·of the Moon but this meant that adicus
1:27·had a chance to be the first American
1:29·spacecraft to soft land on the surface
1:31·of the Moon in 50 years NASA had of
1:35·course got sidetracked by that whole
1:37·Space Shuttle and space station thing
1:39·they had launched a few really cool
1:41·space probes around the moon but they
1:42·hadn't bothered to land anything softly
1:45·and this Lander in particular could
1:47·trace its Heritage back over a decade to
1:50·the Google lunar X prize some of the
1:52·people who worked on it some of the
1:54·hardware that was developed goes back to
1:57·armadillo Aerospace which if you
1:59·remember is on CarMax company he's the
2:01·guy that created doom and then after
2:03·making a ton of money off a quake
2:04·decided that he wanted to get into
2:06·rocketry and then lost it all and you
2:08·know that's how these things go this is
2:10·a video from armadillo's old YouTube
2:12·page showing the test of a pressure-fed
2:15·methane oxygen engine and that is hugely
2:19·important because while people have been
2:21·sending spacecraft to the moon for 60
2:23·years nobody has tried to land a
2:26·spacecraft on the moon using a cryogenic
2:29·Eng Eng all the spacecraft have been
2:31·using highly toxic hypergolic propellant
2:34·which is great because you don't need an
2:36·ignition system but it's not so good
2:38·because it's just really nasty to work
2:41·with so anyway this engine was developed
2:43·for Project Morpheus which it actually
2:45·began as Project M which was supposed to
2:47·be like a NASA Skunk Works project to
2:50·try and put a robonaut on the surface of
2:53·the Moon after a couple of years that
2:54·got split into two projects a sort of
2:56·second generation robonaut which went to
2:58·the space station and Project Morpheus
3:01·which was this Lander That was supposed
3:03·to demonstrate lunar Landing
3:05·Technologies on Earth it was supposed to
3:07·demonstrate new new sensor system
3:09·onboard autonomous Hazard detection and
3:12·avoidance and that's what this bit of
3:14·Hardware is on the side here it's
3:16·scanning The Landing site looking for
3:18·those rocks and trying to figure out
3:20·where the Lander can touch down again
3:22·this was a small lowbudget technology
3:25·demonstrator performed in collaboration
3:28·with a commercial organization like
3:30·armadillo and a number of the people
3:31·that worked on this would go on to be
3:34·part of intuitive machines to develop
3:36·their Lander so with that in mind we had
3:39·been following this mission for the last
3:40·week or so and where they quickly
3:42·established Communications and
3:44·demonstrated the ability to ignite and
3:46·operate their methane engine in deep
3:48·space and this was a first while we have
3:50·had a Chinese rocket that successfully
3:53·launched to orbit using meth methyl o it
3:56·didn't actually ignite its engine until
3:58·it was outside the at so technically
4:00·this was a win and then just in case
4:02·there was any doubters out there I
4:04·believe they ignited their engine
4:07·further from the earth than anyone had
4:09·ever ignited a cryogenic engine so they
4:11·were absolutely cementing their place in
4:14·uh you know the record books as true
4:16·space innovators going out there with
4:19·those engines that don't have the
4:21·hypergolic propellants and that's
4:23·something that NASA is absolutely
4:25·relying on for its lunar lander both of
4:28·the spacecraft that being chosen for the
4:30·human Landing system are going to use
4:32·cryogenic propellants uh starship's
4:34·obviously going to use methane and blue
4:37·origin spacecraft is going to use hydr
4:39·loocks both of them are going to have to
4:41·maintain cryogenic propellant in flight
4:44·on orbit for a long period of time and
4:47·this is something that was actually
4:48·previously demonstrated I think on a
4:51·mission to the space station they had a
4:53·module which was fixed to the side and
4:54·it basically kept some cryogenic
4:56·propellant cooled using a cryocooler and
5:00·passive Cooling and control systems for
5:02·a long time so this was something of a
5:04·Next Step where they were able to
5:05·actually use the engine for all their
5:08·operations in space and maybe one day we
5:10·can abandon these hypergolic after all
5:12·they're expensive they're toxic and of
5:15·course methane and oxygen are pretty
5:17·easy to produce uh in situ across the
5:20·solar system on Wednesday the spacecraft
5:22·successfully entered orbit and on
5:24·Thursday we were watching a live stream
5:27·of it descending and this can animation
5:30·from a year ago is vastly more
5:33·interesting than what the live stream
5:34·brought us I mean we didn't have any
5:36·live camera views which is
5:38·understandable given bandwidth
5:39·constraints but we didn't have any
5:41·Telemetry and we certainly didn't have
5:43·any animation that was being created
5:45·from that Telemetry we had a bunch of
5:46·Talking Heads and a clock counting down
5:50·and to be honest the best part was when
5:52·we would actually get live audio from
5:54·the control room and all this sort of
5:56·glossed over the fact that there had
5:58·been some serious drama behind the
6:00·scenes some top tier you know problem
6:04·solving troubleshooting had been carried
6:06·out to make this Landing get as far as
6:08·it did originally we were told it was
6:10·supposed to land around
6:12·426 and I joke that by the way that
6:15·meant that the engine would be blazing
6:17·at 420 yeah uh but they delayed it by
6:20·two hours they delayed it by one orbit
6:22·why well uh apparently they discovered
6:25·that somebody had left a safety feature
6:28·enabled on The Landing laser Guidance
6:31·the lar system right so obviously when
6:34·you're working with us on the ground you
6:35·have safety features so that you don't
6:37·blind people there was a manual
6:40·interlock who would stop this activating
6:42·and somebody had forgotten to you know
6:45·take this out and so they didn't know
6:47·until they got to lunar orbit and they
6:49·tried to turn it on that their liar
6:51·wouldn't work and guess what it was a
6:54·complete fluke that this they actually
6:57·turned this on early so the spacecraft
6:59·had entered orbit slightly differently
7:02·than they'd expected and was slightly
7:03·closer to the Moon than they expected
7:05·and so they were trying to quantify this
7:07·perform a maneuver to bring it to a an
7:10·orbit they were comfortable so they
7:11·turned on the liar early and eventually
7:14·figured out that it didn't work and this
7:16·was really lucky because normally they
7:19·would only turn this on during the final
7:21·minutes of descent so landing on the
7:24·moon required the ability to precisely
7:26·measure the distance to the surface on
7:28·previous missions you know going back to
7:30·the' 60s we've had radar we've had
7:32·people looking out with their eyeballs
7:34·and of course the lunar Landers the
7:36·Apollo Landers they actually had a big
7:38·stick a contact probe that would uh turn
7:42·on a light when they were close to the
7:43·surface you know when it touched the
7:45·surface but modern spacecraft they like
7:47·to use liar the reason is that uh using
7:50·a laser it's much more Compact and
7:52·because the beam is so narrow you can
7:54·actually get good measurements at much
7:57·greater distances than using a radar
7:59·radar system now for getting into lunar
8:02·orbit and navigating in lunar orbit you
8:04·can use radio ranging with the various
8:06·onboard transmitters and there was
8:09·actually a payload called ln1 the lunar
8:11·node one navigation demonstrator which
8:13·was a small like cubat piece of Hardware
8:16·stuck on the side it was built at the
8:18·Marshall space flight center and so
8:20·while they were in lunar orbit they
8:22·actually tested this payload and used it
8:24·with groundbased measurements to
8:26·actually verify that they were in the
8:27·correct orbit so this knew where they
8:29·were with pretty good precision and they
8:32·could extrapolate that position forward
8:34·and when they were firing the engines
8:36·they could use the onboard inertial
8:38·navigation system with accelerometers
8:40·and gyroscopes to figure out where they
8:43·should be but the problem is then you're
8:45·ex you're integrating this forward that
8:47·means you're taking the solution and
8:48·stepping It Forward slowly in time and
8:50·each step has an error in uh the
8:54·velocity and the position so you could
8:58·descend towards the surface surface
8:59·using this but the errors would grow and
9:01·grow and by the time you got to the
9:02·surface you could be going too fast you
9:05·could be going too slow you could be in
9:07·the wrong place and getting a touchdown
9:09·on the surface would be highly unlikely
9:12·and the orbital navigation Hardware they
9:14·use just wouldn't be useful on the time
9:16·scale that was needed to land on the
9:19·surface and so with this in mind it was
9:22·extraordinarily fortuitous of them that
9:24·they had another payload called ndl the
9:27·navigation Doppler lidar for precise
9:30·velocity and range sensing and this is a
9:33·another liar system that was developed
9:35·by Langley research to do basically the
9:38·same thing the onboard liar was supposed
9:40·to do they just needed to figure out how
9:43·it could talk to The Landing software
9:45·and provide the exact updates to make
9:47·sure they could use it during The
9:49·Descent and they developed a patch for
9:51·their software integrated with their
9:54·computer and they committed to a landing
9:56·in 2 hours and that is about the same
9:58·amount of time that took to figure out
10:00·the problem with the abort switch on
10:01·Apollo 14 if you remember which is
10:03·another amazing Hack That was performed
10:06·on a computer so that a landing could be
10:08·carried out so respect to everyone
10:11·involved that made that happen um no
10:14·respect to whoever put together this
10:16·stream again because this simulation
10:17·you'll notice is running in a loop and
10:20·it's showing the spacecraft in an
10:22·attitude which was absolutely in no way
10:24·consistent with the physics of the
10:26·situation I would rather have had the
10:28·control room it had a lot more
10:30·interesting stuff going on and you know
10:31·if you looked really carefully I think
10:34·there's actually something interesting
10:36·going up on on in some of these displays
10:38·this is what I wanted to see it looked
10:40·like this was a report from the the ndl
10:42·the the laser thing the hero of the hour
10:45·if you will so this was just a tiny clue
10:48·that things were actually progressing it
10:51·would have been great to have this up on
10:52·the full screen but apparently at some
10:55·point they realized that this wasn't
10:57·supposed to be visible and they cut it
10:58·out
10:59·and so yeah for us observers this was
11:01·really kind of annoying but on the other
11:03·hand it is well understood these are
11:05·commercial organizations and they're
11:06·under no compulsion to actually share
11:08·any of this stuff with us so anyway the
11:11·time ticks down and eventually we get to
11:13·zero and suddenly contact is lost and
11:17·we're not sure what happens there's a
11:19·lot of anticipation a lot of question as
11:21·to whether they are able to get carrier
11:23·log we can hear over the comms they ask
11:26·the controllers to look at their last up
11:29·updated Telemetry you see if there's any
11:31·clues as to what happens and one person
11:33·comes back and said they noticed a a
11:35·roll happening just before they lost
11:38·contact and this is critical because the
11:41·High Gain antenna is more or less in a
11:43·fixed orientation on the side of the
11:45·spacecraft it was designed to land in a
11:47·certain place in a certain rotation so
11:50·that the antenna would be pointed at
11:52·Earth and so they could actually get the
11:54·down link Happening Now within a few
11:56·minutes they said they did have contact
11:58·they had carrier lock from G hilly in
12:00·the UK and they were getting some data
12:03·back but the amateur radio people around
12:05·the world could see that the data the
12:07·signal strength wasn't what it should be
12:09·it would be another 12 hours before we
12:11·had any further confirmation from
12:13·intuitive machines and they said that
12:14·yes we are in fact communicating and
12:16·commanding the payloads it is down
12:19·safely and to find out more tune into
12:21·our press conference with NASA at 5:00
12:23·p.m. eastern time and that is a time
12:25·which I was going to be on a plane and
12:26·it turned out it was a plane without
12:28·Wi-Fi also by the way 5:00 p.m. Eastern
12:31·is after all the stock markets closed
12:33·and uh intuitive machines is on the
12:35·stock market so uh you can imagine what
12:38·would happen to the share price after
12:39·the uh well this was how they presented
12:42·the orientation of their Lander yeah it
12:45·turned out that initial claim that they
12:46·were upright was in fact based on
12:48·partial Telemetry that they hadn't got
12:50·the full story and they were instead
12:52·actually sitting on their side so that
12:54·is not only the successful second
12:56·successful lunar Landing this year but
12:58·also the second one that fell over
13:00·during the landing process and you know
13:02·let's be clear as Kerbal Space Program
13:03·players we've all been there according
13:06·to the press conference it was heading
13:08·down at 6 M hour it was going down range
13:11·at 2 m hour and the quote from Mission
13:15·Control that they observed an adverse
13:17·yaw just as they were touching down says
13:19·to me that one of the legs on the side
13:22·dug in and that rotated the spacecraft
13:24·and caused it to start tipping over it's
13:27·important to realize that if you're
13:28·Landing a spacecraft on the moon while
13:30·the gravity is one sixth that of Earth
13:33·the inertia of your spacecraft is
13:35·exactly the same and your sort of tip
13:38·over velocity the maximum speed at which
13:40·you can be going laterally before it
13:41·will upset H drops it actually drops as
13:44·a square root so typically about 40% of
13:47·what it would be on earth is sufficient
13:49·to cause the spacecraft to roll over
13:51·according to the press conference the
13:53·spacecraft is lying on panel e which you
13:56·know there's six sides of the spacecraft
13:57·so that's panel number five I guess and
13:59·that's the panel which contains an art
14:02·piece it's a Jeff Coon's phases of the
14:05·moon it's called uh it's like supposed
14:07·to contain a bunch of moons in a cube
14:10·and they're all slightly different and I
14:11·guess there's like nfts and things like
14:13·that Associated so I guess they actually
14:16·get a bonus point because they are
14:18·closer to the Moon than they would
14:19·otherwise be although you might have to
14:21·change your interpretation of the art
14:23·now that it is on its side rather than
14:25·vertical now one of the payloads I was
14:27·really hoping to see data from right
14:29·away was Eagle Cam and this is a camera
14:32·which would be ejected from the side of
14:33·the spacecraft and track the spacecraft
14:36·as it's performing the final Landing so
14:37·it would land on the surface and watch
14:39·the Lander coming down and that would no
14:41·doubt have provided some really cool
14:43·Clues as to what in fact happened except
14:46·that because of the changes to the uh
14:49·liar system they inhibited the
14:51·deployment of the camera and therefore
14:54·they're trying to decide whether they
14:55·can in fact deploy this camera in its
14:57·current orientation just so to get like
15:00·some third person views of the
15:01·spacecraft and the other payload that I
15:03·would really like to see the results of
15:05·is scalps the stereo camera for lunar
15:09·plume surface studies and this was a
15:11·series of multiple cameras on the legs
15:14·which would be pointed in towards where
15:16·the rocket engine is hoping to see how
15:19·the rocket interacts with the lunar
15:21·surface and that was the idea is they
15:23·want to figure out how plumes dig down
15:26·into the lunar surface and whether
15:27·there's things they can do to perhaps
15:29·model this physics better and understand
15:31·how say something like blue Origins
15:33·Lander might work on the moon here's the
15:35·thing we don't know how much bandwidth
15:38·they're going to have to get data back
15:39·in fact during the press conference it
15:41·sounded like they were having problems
15:43·switching over to a stable link to
15:45·actually get any data down the
15:47·spacecraft's autonomous systems are
15:49·designed to switch between two antennas
15:51·when it's getting poor signal quality so
15:53·it's switching back and forth before
15:55·they can get a connection established
15:57·and fix this problem but assuming they
15:59·fix this they will be doing most of the
16:01·communications over low gain and Tennis
16:03·which means less bandwidth and they are
16:05·racing against lunar night which is
16:07·going to come in about a week from now
16:10·so there's likely to be some sort of
16:12·triaging to do to decide which data to
16:14·get down before the spacecraft goes
16:17·quiet so while the mission is probably
16:19·going to be considered a success by NASA
16:21·it's not as successful as we'd like and
16:24·in terms of communication I don't think
16:26·they've been hugely successful and we're
16:28·really asking a lot of questions and not
16:30·getting answers and of course there are
16:31·critics saying well there 50 years on
16:33·from the Apollo program why can't we do
16:36·so much better than we did back then
16:38·well guess what this Mission has been
16:40·made and performed with a budget that is
16:43·0.1% of the Apollo program if you
16:46·compare it to the surveyor program that
16:47·spent about $5 billion inflation
16:50·adjusted and you know again this is
16:52·vastly cheaper the previous missions
16:54·have been sent to the Moon uh you we've
16:56·got the lunar reconnaissance Orbiter
16:58·which is about half a billion Seline
17:00·about half a billion lady about 280
17:03·million these are all much more
17:06·expensive than each of these clips
17:08·missions and so NASA is absolutely
17:10·betting that while they expect some
17:13·losses they are going to get much more
17:15·value for money from these commercial
17:17·organizations and by you know basically
17:20·funding them they're going to build up
17:22·an area of expertise in the commercial
17:24·Market which will enable further Landers
17:26·and bring the cost down that's what
17:28·they're hoping and I fully believe
17:30·that's what's going to happen we've
17:31·already had two launches this year there
17:33·are four other launches that are slated
17:36·for this year alone and I expect
17:38·failures but you know what quantity has
17:41·a quality in and off itself I'm Scott
17:43·Manley fly
17:45·[Music]
17:50·[Music]
17:57·safe
18:04·[Music]

1 posted on 02/26/2024 5:54:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
"Miss Otis regrets..."

2 posted on 02/26/2024 5:55:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

SUVs with a relatively high CoG tend to roll over.

A fairly well known artifact of very basic physics.


3 posted on 02/26/2024 5:57:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Forget the “Rocket Science” part....


4 posted on 02/26/2024 5:57:40 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: SunkenCiv
Don't we have a moon base up there by now?
5 posted on 02/26/2024 6:04:05 PM PST by x
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The Potsdam Gravity Potato keyword, sorted and stuff:

6 posted on 02/26/2024 6:04:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: x
Reentry vehicles for return to Earth could probably be powered by a magnetic rail mass driver, it has been discussed in the past.

7 posted on 02/26/2024 6:05:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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8 posted on 02/26/2024 6:06:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why did they try to land when there were high winds that could topple it over? The moon weather forecast clearly called for gale force winds.


9 posted on 02/26/2024 6:07:09 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: SunkenCiv

Imagine how funny it would be if we had never gone to the moon 50+ years ago and today Biden presided over such a historic event.”Come on man, I just took the the country to the moon, don’t ask me about Hunter and crack.”


10 posted on 02/26/2024 6:09:57 PM PST by TBall
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To: SunkenCiv

So, both the Japanese and the American landers did the same thing.

In the days of Apollo, a platform called “the flying bedstead”, I believe, was used to simulate and gain understanding of the landing on the Moon. At 1 Earth Gravity, it was a very stripped-down set of mostly legs - hence the name. Neil Armstrong, I believe, had to punch out of one at near 90 degrees during testing.

Without knowing, I suppose I expect that these “landers” went through none of that. When something is barely able to land on the Moon, it is very hard to simulate on Earth, except fully inside a computer.

With both the Japanese and American landers failing, I would want to look at a sudden increase in thrust just before touchdown, as the engine nozzle gets back-pressure from the surface. But, whatever it is, it probably needs to be figured out at this end, first.


11 posted on 02/26/2024 6:10:25 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty ( )
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To: SunkenCiv
Sure. The Space Ladder has too many steps for me.


12 posted on 02/26/2024 6:17:09 PM PST by x
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To: All

Space is hard.

It’s harder when you splash talk of success when you already knew it was a failure.


13 posted on 02/26/2024 6:18:34 PM PST by Owen (.)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

I don’t know how true it is, somebody was saying the proximate cause was a missed switch setting, a physical switch setting that was out; rendering the laser range finders inop. They would be disabled on the pad so it wouldn’t be energized at the wrong time, overheat, maybe blind people etc. So they had to send up a software patch to utilize a separate laser system intended for another application that was operating. like I mentioned I’ve no idea of the accuracy of that. But that might explain the extra hop around the bend.

Then it was not enough telemetry data to find a suitable landing location. Every Apollo landing, the computer was going to land them in a not quite good enough spot, or they were coming in too hot. So every lunar pilot elected to take manual control for the last several clicks down in altitude. A couple guys talked about letting the computer handle it for a 100% automated landing, which was theoretically possible, but nobody ever did. Imagine that.


14 posted on 02/26/2024 6:20:21 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

The Neil Armstrong bailout is described by Alan Bean in the extras disk of some documentary I have around here, and it’s funny.

footage of the event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUJDbj9Vp5w


15 posted on 02/26/2024 6:41:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Freedom4US

It never hit me until years later that while landing on the moon is dangerous enough, the return to the command module relies on one switch and the engine performing perfectly as designed and planned. If the switch was somehow inoperative or the engine start a bust, the team was stuck on the moon forever.


16 posted on 02/26/2024 6:44:39 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: SunkenCiv

From my understanding NASA had very little to do with running this mission or designing the craft. This was a private Endeavor. So why does everyone keep talking about NASA?


17 posted on 02/26/2024 6:44:48 PM PST by Revel
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To: SunkenCiv

Success of the landing???

The thing fell over and it’s shutting down [because the solar panels can’t charge, I think I read]

How is this in any way a success?

Well, they did hit the moon...so there’s that.


18 posted on 02/26/2024 6:46:51 PM PST by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They probably used the NBC forecast, and everything out of NBC is a fabrication.


19 posted on 02/26/2024 6:48:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Revel

The company was the contractor, NASA funded the mission and told them where to, uh, put it.


20 posted on 02/26/2024 6:49:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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