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Air France 447 electrical problems and the South Atlantic Anomaly
Baltimore Weather Examiner ^ | 6.4.09 | Tony Pann

Posted on 06/05/2009 11:33:42 AM PDT by libh8er

he Bermuda Triangle and missing aircraft may seem like science fiction, but there is a well documented region off of the coast of Brazil that contains highly charged particles. This area is known as the South Atlantic Anomaly and is avoided at all costs by orbiting satellites. NASA satellites that do travel in the region are shut down, or go into SAFE mode to avoid damage while passing over the Atlantic between Brazil and Africa.

The electrical field around earth protects us from cosmic rays. There are two bands that trap highly charged particles circle the earth. The protons trapped near the surface is in this region called the Van Allen Belt. This radiation can cause all sorts of malfunctions in spacecraft electronics. In fact, the Geiger counter used to measure cosmic rays on Explorer 1 in 1958 stopped functioning because it was overloaded by radiation!

So what is the connection to Air France flight 447? This is where the highly technical science could put some to sleep. While this flight path is used by commercial pilots without incidence daily, there is the possibility that one of these tropical thunderstorms tapped into the electric field nearby. The Inter Tropical Convergence Zone is know for some of the most violent thunderstorms on the planet. With cloud tops over 50,000 feet and violent updrafts of 100 mph, there was a tremendous amount of electricity generated. My friend, a commercial pilot, tells me that lightning can be constant in these storms. So I pose this question for the flight experts and astrophysicists: Could flight 447 have been affected by a rare sequence of events including a direct lightning strike, extreme proton charge from the South Atlantic Anomaly, and then left defenseless as the storm and G-Forces in the violent up and downdrafts tore the fuselage apart?


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: af447; potsdamgravitypotato; southatlanticanomaly
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1 posted on 06/05/2009 11:33:43 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: libh8er

Could have been the center fuel tank if it has one or a terrorist attack or pilot induced breakup


2 posted on 06/05/2009 11:48:45 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: libh8er

The earth’s magnet field has been weaking!!!

“Earth’s Magnetic Field Has Massive Breach – scientists baffled”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/12/16/earths-magnetic-field-has-massive-breach-scientists-baffled/


3 posted on 06/05/2009 11:49:46 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a Daffy Duck)
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To: libh8er

When I first heard of the crash in the Atlantic, my first thought was did the plane fly over the Bermuda triangle.


4 posted on 06/05/2009 11:54:01 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: libh8er

The Bermuda Triangle is Baaaaaak!
(and now greatly expanded due to the benevolence of the One.)


5 posted on 06/05/2009 11:54:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: libh8er
" This area is known as the South Atlantic Anomaly [SAA] and is avoided at all costs by orbiting satellites"

Incorrect. If a satellite's orbital inclination is great enough, it will pass through the SAA on some orbits and there is no avoiding it. I've never heard of a satellite that had to dodge the SAA.
6 posted on 06/05/2009 11:57:51 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: libh8er

Probably trapped radiation left over from Operation Argus while were at it...


7 posted on 06/05/2009 11:59:28 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: libh8er

First I heard of the South Atlantic anomaly. Kinda makes me wonder if an ex-Navy friend of mine might have been telling the truth about the very same area.
He was a Chief Master Sargent, in quality control of welding on submarines. He swore to me that he had been taken one time on a submarine to an underwater base off the coast of Brazil that the U.S. had built out of submarine hulls. Said it was anchored such that a nuclear sub could dock under it. That much I totally believe...but the rest of the story is a little far out.
He said while he was there doing a required periodic inspection of the pressure hulls that he observed Navy personnel working alongside alien creatures. He said the aliens have an underwater base in the area. Could explain the huge quantity of UFO sughtings in South America.
Now why would I even begin to believe such a thing?
We have a Muslim traitor sitting in the Oval office, General Motors is bankrupt, People are spending untold thousands of dollars to stop cow farts, so why would a few ET’s be such a surprise?


8 posted on 06/05/2009 12:07:00 PM PDT by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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To: messierhunter

I agree. I’ve flown through that same area dozens of times at normal long-range jet transport flight levels, intersecting all the same route taken by Air France and NEVER encountered anything different from elsewhere in the world.

This is a non-radar traffic environment and occasionally Atlantico Center (Brazilian ATC) is not reachable by HF Radio due to atmospheric conditions. The same thing occurs all over the world.


9 posted on 06/05/2009 12:22:10 PM PDT by mycloudburst
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To: libh8er
Holy Van Allen Belt Batman!


10 posted on 06/05/2009 12:29:05 PM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: messierhunter

Satellites do not dodge the SAA. The writer is a product of the dumbing down of society.


11 posted on 06/05/2009 12:33:26 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: libh8er

I was wondering how long it would take someone to tie the Bermuda triangle/Vorticities of DOOOOOM to bring this up.

Next thing, it will the the “Lost” Island grabbing planes again.


12 posted on 06/05/2009 12:35:04 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: libh8er

Paging Rod Serling, paging Mr. Serling.


13 posted on 06/05/2009 12:39:12 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Magnum44

Sure they do. I wasn’t supposed to tell but all those mysterious lights in the sky are really the orange traffic cones and flashing yellow lights set up around the SAA to warn satellites.


14 posted on 06/05/2009 12:44:31 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Conan the Librarian

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15 posted on 06/05/2009 12:47:03 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: libh8er
The South Atlantic Anomaly is an area of geomagnetism that brings charged particles from the solar wind and elsewhere, closer to the Earth. It's pretty much a space phenomenon that occurs outside the atmosphere (which is why the author referred to satellite anomalies).

While I can't absolutely rule it out ... I seriously doubt that it has much effect on something deep in the atmosphere, dozens of miles below where the charged particles live.

That deep in the atmosphere, I don't think solar wind has any effect.

16 posted on 06/05/2009 12:54:03 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Magnum44
Satellites do not dodge the SAA. The writer is a product of the dumbing down of society

Well.... you can't physically dodge it, but you can effectively "dodge" it procedurally so as to avoid the effects of the SAA.

Some satellite missions put their instruments in safe mode during SAA passages; for others the data from those passages is often useless, so they don't schedule data takes during that time.

I've worked on missions in which one or the other -- or both -- approaches were used.

17 posted on 06/05/2009 12:57:39 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: libh8er
The electrical field around earth protects us from cosmic rays.

While the earth does have an electrical field, it is our geomagnetic field that protects us from cosmic rays.

Regards,
GtG

18 posted on 06/05/2009 1:25:23 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: flash2368
ex-Navy friend...a Chief Master Sargent

He may have been a Chief Petty Officer but I sincerely doubt he was a Sargent of any sort in our Navy! As to the submerged base, pure 100% grade "A" Bravo Sierra. Right up there with the "aliens at area 51" crapola.

Regards,
GtG

19 posted on 06/05/2009 1:36:33 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: al baby
Could have been the center fuel tank if it has one or a terrorist attack or pilot induced breakup

Could also have been an airframe glued together from composites and using a strange sort of navigation system. The NAV system infers position references by measuring velocity in three dimensions with pitot tubes. Pitot tubes measure the difference in pressure between the "ram" air hitting the tube in the direction its pointing and "static" air sensed at 90°. If the plane was hit by a micro burst (severe downdraft) the sensor would lead the computer to think the plane was rapidly climbing and would respond by going hard over into a dive. Exactly the wrong thing to do when you are being hit with a downdraft of several hundred mph.

Regards,
GtG

PS Question for the pilots in the crowd: When did inertial navigation systems with gyros and accelerometers as INTERNAL references get dumped in favor of a three axis "air speed indicator" using pitot tubes, and how does such a system differentiate between actual motion along an axis and winds blowing in the opposite direction?

20 posted on 06/05/2009 2:00:16 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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