Posted on 03/21/2022 1:53:25 PM PDT by Beave Meister
You can’t possibly own an EV. Whenever one of these threads pops up there are two recurring themes:
1) Only liberals drive EVs
2) Entrepreneurs will never solve the problem of battery replacement and recycling the materials.
The free market and innovation simply don’t work in EV world. Progress is impossible. We will be stuck at step one, forever.
“When Ford had his Model-T’s rolling off the assembly line there was ZERO service stations.”
That’s not a good comparison. Charging stations can actually be added much easier than gas stations. The expense is generating enough electricity, not putting in the cars.
And, generating the electricity using what fuel?
“Once in operation, electric cars certainly reduce your carbon footprint, but making the lithium-ion batteries could emit 74% more CO2 than for conventional cars.”
-Bloomberg
“When small diesel vehicles became available, diesel was relatively cheap. It went up quickly to match gas costs.”
IIRC the rise in diesel that began then, and hasn’t gone away, was due to China industrializing.
If a power grid goes down, as in most of Texas last winter ...
Culprit or excuse: wind turbines supposedly froze.
That is going to be in the 5% range tops.
The government didn’t have to subsidize autos and forbid the breeding of horses to get people off horses and into cars.
Cars were obviously better so people gravitated to them quickly.
When EVs are better people will gravitate to them even if the govt decides it doesn’t like them.
Folks,
Everything has pros and cons. One size fits all never works unless you are a liberal, communist, socialist, fascist.
mpg or mpge has NO correlation with total cost per mile. This article is full of misdirect and has an agenda. Each of us as a very unique cost per mile on our vehicles.
I am not going to drive an electric vehicle in the cold northwest because I haul a lot of stuff.
More Power to those who the electrical vehicle works well. but this article says absolutely nothing of value.
Does your battery get warm as it charges?
It’s going to be a lot more than you think.
> Apparently, the cost there is more than at the gas station!
And still a lot slower.
Is the cost of battery replacement included in those figures to get a true comparison of cheapness?
If not, it should be. Many internal combustion engines now get around 225,000-300,000 miles (10-20 years’ worth of driving for many folks) before a major repair. Do batteries last that long?
Of course, oil changes (for internal combustion engines) also need to be factored in.
Unfortunately, soon after, many more Americans began buying diesel powered vehicles for the same reason. Diesel fuel began costing more than gasoline because of the demand.
~33 kWh per gallon
$0.38 per kWh equals
12.92 per gallon.
ICE only 50% efficient.
Electric 95-99% efficient.
So for 2 gallons of fuel I can go as far as an electric
vehicle.
What happens when we deplete all the required Rare Earth Elements from the planet’s crust in a few years?
Think like a liberal. Some other solution will magically appear. Whatever they want becomes physically possible unless thwarted by evil right wingers.
We just purchased a 2018 Lincoln MKZ hybrid that gets 40 mpg per gallon. We figured with a 13.5 gallon tank and gas at $7/g (which is the price they want) we would spend approximately $70-$90 per fill up which is about every 400+ miles. There is a cost of replacing thbe hybrid batteries, but as the Lincoln was on the Fusion chassis, partas will be available.
The Lincoln has been discontinued and the sedan reborn as the Zephyr line, but only available in China as in the US sedans are no longer desireable and hence, pretty much no longer made.
TG, why do you keep spouting this nonsense?
Yes, no service stations as we know them today when the Model T made its debut, but gasoline was plentiful enough at businesses people had back then. And, it's for certain that gasoline was much easier to source away from urban areas than it was to charge the EV's back then. The majority of early EV's were purchased by customers living in urban locales.
I repeat my claim, which you've yet to refute - Ford would have never made the Model T were gasoline not easily available. It was, and Ford capitalized on that, which then led to service stations as we know them today, which then led to more Model T's being sold. And he did this all without subsidies from the fedgov.
EV's were popular early in automobile history. Why didn't Ford make them? He knew then that the market would decide which to purchase unlike today when we have an out of control government hack telling us what we're going to be driving.
Do you believe you should determine what to purchase or do you believe the fedgov demand what to purchase?
I use about 350 gallons of gas per year. Even at $5 a gallon, it takes 10-20 years for the extra cost of an EV to catch up. Of course, that doesn’t consider the cost of installing a charging system and renting a gasoline powered vehicle for longer trips or paying a premium to use public charging stations plus all the other associated costs of travelling in an EV.
It also doesn’t consider the cost of new infrastructure to generate the electricity to charge thousands (millions?) of EVs. When demand goes up, the power companies are going to raise prices, not only increasing the cost of charging electric vehicles but all of the other power now used in the home.
EVs aren’t anywhere near viable for the masses yet. I’m 70 and it is very unlikely that they will be viable in my lifetime.
About half way down the doc in Table 7 they put total % loss for their system at 17% loss charging with 10 amps and 36% on the discharge. For 40A, 12 and 29% respectively.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360544217303730
We are going to start seeing many more charging stations around the country, despite the various disadvantages of EV use at this time. Protest as you wish but may as well get used to it. It’s a done deal.
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