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These charts show how much it costs to charge an EV vs. refueling a gas vehicle
CNBC.com ^ | 3/20/2022 | John Rosevear

Posted on 03/21/2022 1:53:25 PM PDT by Beave Meister

It has been true for years: Mile for mile, it’s cheaper — generally much cheaper — to recharge an electric vehicle than it is to refuel one with an internal-combustion engine.

That has been a key selling point for Tesla and other EV makers, particularly in times when gas prices have soared, such as now. But this time there’s a wrinkle: While gas prices have indeed soared in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, so have electricity prices — particularly in some parts of the U.S. that have been big markets for Tesla’s EVs.

That raises a question: Is it still true that it’s much cheaper to “refuel” an EV? The charts below, which show how much the cost to add 100 miles of range to the average EV or internal-combustion vehicle has changed in different markets over time, help us find the answer.

The first chart, using nationwide figures, provides a baseline. The others use data specific to Boston and San Francisco, two markets where EVs are popular — and where electricity tends to be more expensive than the national average.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: charging; chargingcosts; electricvehicles; ev; fosilfuels; gas; liberals; refuel; tesla
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Liberals just refuse to think things through. They get a good feeling about electric vehicles, put horse blinds before the final tally is done, and we're the bad guy for showing them they're wrong.
1 posted on 03/21/2022 1:53:25 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

What happens when everybody has an EV, supposedly, and there isn’t enough electricity to supply these vehicles?

Costs will rise from that $1.50 to $12.00, or something.
It’s going to rise just the same for me to cook my supper. It will go from 25 cents to $3.00.

It will be impoverishing for all around.
Anybody who can’t foresee the corollary rise in costs for other activities that use electricity is an idiot.


2 posted on 03/21/2022 1:58:36 PM PDT by Jonty30 ( I am an extremely responsible person. When something goes wrong, my boss asks if I was responsible.)
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To: Beave Meister

Someone remind me, is the US media trustworthy?


3 posted on 03/21/2022 1:59:14 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911/June 14, 1944)
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To: Beave Meister

The fast charging stations (still at least half an hour) are charging a lot of $. Apparently, the cost there is more than at the gas station!


4 posted on 03/21/2022 2:00:34 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: Beave Meister

“It has been true for years: Mile for mile, it’s cheaper — generally much cheaper — to recharge an electric vehicle than it is to refuel one with an internal-combustion engine.”

‘Much cheaper’ only if one doesn’t factor in the cost of generating said volts ...

Ijits


5 posted on 03/21/2022 2:01:55 PM PDT by ByteMercenary (Slo-Joe and KamalHo are not my leaders.)
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To: Beave Meister

The thing to do would be:

1) Get cost to produce a gallon of gas, get it to a gas station, and pump it out.

2) Pick your mpg, say a 25mpg car goes 25 miles on that gallon.

3) Pick your route - determine a fixed course and accelerations required to complete it in a certain amount of time.

4) Get the cost of producing the electricy required for an EV to follow the same course in the same way and time.


6 posted on 03/21/2022 2:02:11 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: Jonty30

The problem is we’re phasing out an abundant electric generating resource (coal) and getting more dependent on a less abundant resource (nat gas) which will continue to ramp up in price with demand.

The ChiCom approach of building lots of new coal plants may be pretty economical. Especially if they can attain hegemony over Australia for their supply.


7 posted on 03/21/2022 2:02:34 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Jonty30

Absolutely. In California they have already asked residents to avoid charging your electric vehicle amid power grid strain...


8 posted on 03/21/2022 2:02:48 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Leave the gun. Take the cannoli....)
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To: Beave Meister

The propaganda will not convince me that electric is better.


9 posted on 03/21/2022 2:03:22 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Beave Meister

What’s the current kwh rate in CA right now?


10 posted on 03/21/2022 2:03:52 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: AZJeep

Saw Tesla EV stations at a Stuckey’s on a rural part of the Interstate in my area when I passed through a few weeks back.


11 posted on 03/21/2022 2:04:26 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Jonty30

So is anyone who thinks that electrical generation and transmission capacity is finite.


12 posted on 03/21/2022 2:04:49 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: BiglyCommentary

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a


13 posted on 03/21/2022 2:05:58 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Beave Meister

Just point theirs to their Sun God. Cost 0.


14 posted on 03/21/2022 2:06:03 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: nascarnation

They don’t need Australia, they already have US.


15 posted on 03/21/2022 2:06:15 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

It’s a LOT shorter barge trip from Aus.


16 posted on 03/21/2022 2:08:11 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: ConservaTexan

“Someone remind me, is the US media trustworthy?”
Does Biden or the HO have a measurable IQ?
Does Dan Rather lie?
Did Bubba “not have sex with that woman”?


17 posted on 03/21/2022 2:08:36 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Beave Meister

I can attest with my special charging overnight rate in GA, I am currently paying about $1.05 per 100 miles to charge at home. That is up from 78 cents I was paying in 2015 when I got the car. It’s easy to calculate based on the battery capacity and the rate per kilowatt.

However:

To get that rate I have higher peak hour rates in the summer. So the net effect is probably about $2 per 100 miles.

But more importantly THE RATES WILL START GOING UP DRAMATICALLY WHEN HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ARE CHARGING! This is simply an early adopter benefit right now, subsidized by the government.

When those rates skyrocket, the average household will suffer huge electricity rate hikes. All to pay for wealthy people to have EVs and preach to them.


18 posted on 03/21/2022 2:08:43 PM PDT by Codeflier (I am just going to assume you are a Democrat if you call me a Putin supporter and ignore you.)
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To: Beave Meister

One would need to see the underlying details to see what all is included. Does it include occasional battery replacements?

Right now EVs are probably less costly. They should be because they are more expensive to purchase initially. If not why even buy one now?

Then I would want to see future projected costs and assumed penetration rates of EVs. Once many cut over to EVs then surplus gasoline supplies should reduce the costs of gasoline while electricity costs should go up because of increased demand on electricity, etc.

All of those things can be modeled. However one can play games with assumptions whether they are on pro-EV side or pro-GAS side. I would want to see a fair modeled comparison with all the parameters exposed.


19 posted on 03/21/2022 2:09:17 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Beave Meister

Not to mention batteries last about 8 -10 years, while losing efficiency. Replacement cost at today’s prices are between $5000 - $20000 each.


20 posted on 03/21/2022 2:10:07 PM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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