[Beave Meister]

Liberals just refuse to think things through. They get a good feeling about electric vehicles, put horse blinds before the final tally is done, and we're the bad guy for showing them they're wrong.

[Jonty30]

What happens when everybody has an EV, supposedly, and there isn’t enough electricity to supply these vehicles?

Costs will rise from that $1.50 to $12.00, or something.
It’s going to rise just the same for me to cook my supper. It will go from 25 cents to $3.00.

It will be impoverishing for all around.
Anybody who can’t foresee the corollary rise in costs for other activities that use electricity is an idiot.

[ConservaTexan]

Someone remind me, is the US media trustworthy?

[AZJeep]

The fast charging stations (still at least half an hour) are charging a lot of $. Apparently, the cost there is more than at the gas station!

[ByteMercenary]

“It has been true for years: Mile for mile, it’s cheaper — generally much cheaper — to recharge an electric vehicle than it is to refuel one with an internal-combustion engine.”

‘Much cheaper’ only if one doesn’t factor in the cost of generating said volts ...

Ijits

[fruser1]

The thing to do would be:

1) Get cost to produce a gallon of gas, get it to a gas station, and pump it out.

2) Pick your mpg, say a 25mpg car goes 25 miles on that gallon.

3) Pick your route - determine a fixed course and accelerations required to complete it in a certain amount of time.

4) Get the cost of producing the electricy required for an EV to follow the same course in the same way and time.

[Lurkinanloomin]

The propaganda will not convince me that electric is better.

[BiglyCommentary]

What’s the current kwh rate in CA right now?

[Varsity Flight]

Just point theirs to their Sun God. Cost 0.

[Codeflier]

I can attest with my special charging overnight rate in GA, I am currently paying about $1.05 per 100 miles to charge at home. That is up from 78 cents I was paying in 2015 when I got the car. It’s easy to calculate based on the battery capacity and the rate per kilowatt.

However:

To get that rate I have higher peak hour rates in the summer. So the net effect is probably about $2 per 100 miles.

But more importantly THE RATES WILL START GOING UP DRAMATICALLY WHEN HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ARE CHARGING! This is simply an early adopter benefit right now, subsidized by the government.

When those rates skyrocket, the average household will suffer huge electricity rate hikes. All to pay for wealthy people to have EVs and preach to them.

[plain talk]

One would need to see the underlying details to see what all is included. Does it include occasional battery replacements?

Right now EVs are probably less costly. They should be because they are more expensive to purchase initially. If not why even buy one now?

Then I would want to see future projected costs and assumed penetration rates of EVs. Once many cut over to EVs then surplus gasoline supplies should reduce the costs of gasoline while electricity costs should go up because of increased demand on electricity, etc.

All of those things can be modeled. However one can play games with assumptions whether they are on pro-EV side or pro-GAS side. I would want to see a fair modeled comparison with all the parameters exposed.

[maddog55]

Not to mention batteries last about 8 -10 years, while losing efficiency. Replacement cost at today’s prices are between $5000 - $20000 each.

[Kid Shelleen]

If you think gas lines are going to be bad wait until you see the lines for charging batteries.

[PGR88]

Electricity costs, for the most part, are highly regulated. It will still rise in cost, and those increases will be permanent

[Chode]

charging stations pay road tax just like ice cars?

[adorno]

It has been true for years: Mile for mile, it’s cheaper — generally much cheaper — to recharge an electric vehicle than it is to refuel one with an internal-combustion engine.

Completely false!!!

While it might seem true, at first sight or at first thought, the complete picture says different.

An ICE vehicle has a fuel tank, where fuel is kept for consumption by the vehicle. Buy the tank ONCE (it comes with the vehicle), and you never have to buy another one for the life of the car.

An electric vehicle comes with a battery, and the fuel is the electric charge, which last for only about 200 miles per 'filling'.

But, one has to consider that the "fuel" for the electric vehicle includes the battery, which adds a huge cost to the initial purchase of the vehicle. So, if one were to consider that the cost for the 'fuel' for the electric vehicle includes the battery and battery charges (plus installation of a charging station at home), then, over 10 years time, the electric vehicle will have cost a lot more to 'fuel up' than a gasoline or diesel vehicle.

An electric vehicles initial price could be an additional $10,000 to $30,000 to purchase because of the battery, compared to a comparably equipped ICE vehicle. Can somebody say that, over 10 years' time that the additional cost of the battery + eventual charges, will have cost less than an ICE vehicles' costs?

Comparing charging an EV to fueling an ICE car, is totally out of balance and bogus. Even with the current higher fuel costs, it may still be advantageous to get an ICE vehicle. The only reason that is given as an 'advantage' is the saving of the planet from fossil-fuel climate change. But that's a complete hoax unto itself.

[Obadiah]

Again, deliberately, no one is talking about the massive capital infrastructure costs that will be required for demand side management. No one is talking about all the high voltage towers and lines that will be required to criss-cross the country and be put in YOUR neighborhood. Your property value will drop. The cost of electricity will skyrocket, probably way beyond imagination.

And, you had better hope there is no disruption to the grid, such as storms, an errant squirrel running across a wire, or a deliberate hack or attack.

[ConservativeInPA]

It's called TCO, total cost ownership. What is most hideous about EVs is that they are subsidized by tax dollars that do not exist. The same thing is true about charging stations that are included in the so-called infrastructure bill. That means the Fed has to print money. In turn, everything is more expensive.

Personally, I have no problems with alternative energy and specifically EVs, but it is not the government's job or the taxpayer's responsibility to pay for it.

[Gnome1949]

The manufacturers will not have huge warehouses full of spare batteries. When your EV battery needs to be replaced, you will have a VERY LONG WAIT to get a new one.

Further, the dealers won’t want EV’s with dead batteries stored behind their dealerships for long periods.

Your “dead” EV will have to be stored somewhere and it will have to be towed to that location and then towed to a dealer when your replacement battery arrives.

Cities, counties and states will no doubt charge BIG disposal fees for getting rid of dead batteries that contain toxic chemicals.

Also, cities and counties will almost certainly pass strict laws about long-term storage of bad EV batteries/cars awaiting replacement.

[Fido969]

Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

The reason gas car costs more than electricity is because of the spike in gas prices. At $2 a gallon, gas is competitive with electric cars.

Now, with the spike in gas prices, these people say “EV is cheaper!” But riddle me this Batman - when fuel prices go up, what happens to electricity prices?

This is largely an illusion caused by the lag in adjusting utility rates.

[ctdonath2]

EVs are cheaper per mile. Cost depends on lots of factors, a high demand fast charger may cost far more than home overnight power on a dedicated line.

The article doesn’t “prove them wrong”, though it is a rather poor presentation of a complex subject.