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Serious Troubles Among the Indians in Nebraska; THE SEVENTH REGIMENT IN CAMP (7/6/1860)
New York Times - Times Machine ^ | 7/6/1860

Posted on 07/06/2020 6:36:07 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

Special Dispatch to the New-York Times. WASHINGTON, Thursday, July 5. MORE INDIAN TROUBLES. The Commissioner of Indian Affairs received important intelligence this morning from Nebraska Territory. Agent GILLIS, under date of June 22, writes that 200 or more Cheyenne. Arrappahoe and Sioux Indians had just attacked a Pawnee village in sight of the agency and killed several persons. Mr. GILLIS rode in among the attacking party, and with assistance of a half-breed Pawnee interpreter, succeeded in inducing them to draw off. They declared their purpose to return and "wipe out the Pawnee tribe." An express was immediately sent to Col. CHAS. MAY, commanding at Fort Kearney, for assistance, as, under the treaty of September, 1857, Government is bound to protect the Pawnees on their new reservation. The hostile expedition was fitted out west of Fort Kearney, for the express purpose of making war on the Pawnees, and Mr. GILLIS says they are well mounted, and a splendid-looking set of warriors. Two days later he writes: "I have just learned from a reliable source that a large body of hostile Indians are collecting on Wood River, twenty-five miles this side of Fort Kearney, for the purpose of renewing the attack on the Pawnees, and that they avow their purpose to attacs. the whites if they attempt to interfere. Their forces are composed of Sioux, Cheyennes, Arrappahoes and Brulars.

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1 posted on 07/06/2020 6:36:07 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 07/06/2020 6:37:37 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Serious Troubles Among the Indians in Nebraska – 2
The Seventh Regiment in Camp – 2
The Last Slaver – 2-3
The Fourth in the City – 3-5
Base Ball – 5
3 posted on 07/06/2020 6:38:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Why did they gang up on the Pawnee?


4 posted on 07/06/2020 6:41:40 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
One of the Roosevelts said....”If it wasn't for the white man, they would have annihilated themselves.”
5 posted on 07/06/2020 6:55:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: nuconvert

Sort of a Hutu v Tutsi situation. Lots of inter tribal hatred and warfare for centuries before, during and after Columbus and European expansion. Everyone generally hated the Sioux...the name derived from an indian corruption of French slang for “snake”.


6 posted on 07/06/2020 7:03:19 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: nuconvert

During the Civil War many Indian tribes will side with Confederates and attack white settlers.

Other tribes will support the Union and fight against the Confederates’ allies.
These battles are counted as also Civil War battles, and spread the war to western states & territories that were otherwise untouched.


7 posted on 07/06/2020 7:38:33 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I found the “Accidents and Incidents” column more interesting, considering that according to democrats, shooting incidents only started occuring about the time Trump was elected.


8 posted on 07/06/2020 7:55:05 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

You can’t read about Custer at Little Big Horn without also reading about Custer at Gettysburg. You have to know both sides of the man. Too many people have only heard about his biggest mistake. He was brave beyond description and not a stupid man.


9 posted on 07/06/2020 7:56:01 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul?)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Sioux, Cheyennes, Arrappahoes and Brulars


Brulars? can’t find it on the internet.


10 posted on 07/06/2020 8:16:34 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_Canyon#:~:text=The%20Pawnee%20version%20of%20the%20Massacre%20Canyon%20battle,packhorses%20and%20the%20Pawnee%20started%20a%20disorganized%20retreat.#:~:text=The%20Pawnee%20version%20of%20the%20Massacre%20Canyon%20battle,packhorses%20and%20the%20Pawnee%20started%20a%20disorganized%20retreat.#:~:text=The%20Pawnee%20version%20of%20the%20Massacre%20Canyon%20battle,packhorses%20and%20the%20Pawnee%20started%20a%20disorganized%20retreat.#:~:text=The%20Pawnee%20version%20of%20the%20Massacre%20Canyon%20battle,packhorses%20and%20the%20Pawnee%20started%20a%20disorganized%20retreat.

The Massacre Canyon battle took place in Nebraska on August 5, 1873 near the Republican River. It was one of the last hostilities between the Pawnee and the Sioux (or Lakota) and the last battle/massacre between Great Plains Indians in North America.[2] The massacre occurred when a large Oglala/Brulé Sioux war party of over 1,500 warriors led by Two Strike, Little Wound, and Spotted Tail attacked a band of Pawnee during their summer buffalo hunt. In the ensuing rout more than 150 Pawnees were killed, men with mostly women and children, the victims suffering mutilation and some set on fire.


11 posted on 07/06/2020 8:22:28 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: nuconvert

Cruel and violent warfare like this had been practiced against the Pawnee by the Lakota Sioux for centuries since the mid-1700s and through the 1840s.


12 posted on 07/06/2020 8:23:37 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I grew up in northwest Iowa. Many things are named after the sioux. Sioux Falls, Sioux City, Sioux Center, Sioux County, etc.

I often wondered why. My guess is that in negotiating with the Sioux Indians, We named many things for them to honor them. I could never find any documentation.


13 posted on 07/06/2020 8:27:45 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Should be Brule. See next reply after yours.


14 posted on 07/06/2020 8:32:00 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Brave? I suppose.

Tactical genius? Hardly..

He about got wiped out at Trevilian Station using the same tactics at LBH. In other words, he didn’t learn the lesson of splitting up his troops and hardly bothering to reconnoiter.

There were other blunders in other actions that he made too that cost his men dearly. Not many people care to read up on those incidents either. He’s famous because he died in battle during the Indian Wars and his wife saw to it that his legacy became legendary. Otherwise, he’d be about as well-known a general as Ranald MacKenzie or John S. Mosby.


15 posted on 07/06/2020 8:32:57 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: nuconvert

http://nebraskastudies.org/1500-1799/emergence-of-historic-tribes/the-pawnee-the-lakota-sioux/


A little more history here. Good question.


16 posted on 07/06/2020 8:33:55 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Wonder if they meant Brulés?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brul%C3%A9


17 posted on 07/06/2020 8:34:09 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: nuconvert

The Pawnee tribe had fought these other tribes for years, and so the Army turned to the Pawnee for help against a common enemy.

The Pawnee became scouts. They were very successful in helping protect the railroad as it was being built across Nebraska, and they accompanied several U.S. Amy expeditions against the warring Sioux, Cheyenne, and Arapaho. But, by the late 1870s, the Pawnee Scouts were disbanded. The U.S. Government had removed most members of the Pawnee tribe from Nebraska to Indian Territory south of Nebraska.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/1850-1874/native-american-settlers/conflict-among-the-tribes/


The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


18 posted on 07/06/2020 8:39:30 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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Thanks for the post!

Never heard of Charles May until now.
The pre-war frontier life seems out-of-control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_A._May


19 posted on 07/06/2020 8:40:39 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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In keeping with their cosmology, the Pawnee classify the varieties of corn by color: black, spotted, white, yellow, and red (which, excluding spotted, related to the colors associated with the four semi-cardinal directions). The women kept the different strains separate as they cultivated the corn. While important in agriculture, squash and beans were not given the same theological meaning as corn.[5]:119–122

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee_people


Hadn’t thought of Indian corn for years. Was very common when I was a kid. Never thought about the source.


20 posted on 07/06/2020 8:47:53 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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