Posted on 05/29/2019 11:54:53 AM PDT by McQ444
Not only that, but who wants to be they confiscate any HSA or other health related accounts AND...they base your tax increases on the amount of insurance premiums you were paying.
They cannot even come up with an estimate.
Admitting that you have a problem is the first step …
Or so they tell me.
If a law is unconstitutional and no one with standing chooses to make a case then it remains law. A perfect example was the Louisiana Purchase which was unconstitutional ( even Jefferson said so) but nobody complained about the RE deal of the millennia!!!.
Admitting that you have a problem is the first step …
ROFL!!!!
That is (as a matter of theory) the stupidest thing I have seen on this forum ever. Congratulations!
That is (as a matter of practice) the most damning thing I have ever seen on this forum regarding the actual behavior of Congress. You admit .. you CELEBRATE … that in practice, the government acts as tyrant with unlimited power.
You're admitting that the US Government has a habit of acting in gross violation of its actual authority. Do you realize that? I think you do … and I think you think it's a "good thing". Some folks just love them some government coercion. It's for the children.
It's also beneath contempt.
We have supposed “conservatives” on a supposedly “conservative” forum openly celebrating tyranny. An out-of-control government does not, and cannot, Make America Great Again.
Since the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate, tax and spend in the name of INTRAstate healthcare, to establish a national healthcare program requires the following as a first step.
Evidenced by the Supreme Court clarifications of the fed's very limited powers below, the states would first need to ratify an appropriate healthcare amendment to the Constitution in order for Congress to have the express constitutional authority regulate, tax and spend in the name of INTRAstate healthcare.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Note that a healthcare amendment to the Constitution was scandalously ignored when the Democrats established Obamacare imo.
On the other hand, consider that there's nothing in the Constitution stopping any state from establishing its own custom healthcare and retirement programs.
Consider this insight to unique state power to care for the people by constitutional lawmaker Rep. John Bingham.
”... the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)
There's also this insight about 10th Amendment-protected state powers by Justice Brandeis.
"It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.” — Justice Brandeis, Laboratories of democracy.
Note that the constitutional limit on states as laboratories of democracy is that states cannot establish privileged / protected classes or abridge constitutionally enumerated rights, and must maintain a constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government.
After all of that, the question is how can any state afford to establish its own healthcare and retirement programs since the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification federal government is continuously stealing state revenues from all states by means of unconstitutional federal taxes according the Gibbons v. Ogden excerpt above?
The remedy for unconstitutionally big federal government…
Patriots need to support PDJT in working with the states to repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments so that each state can find new revenues to establish its own healthcare and retirement programs, depending on what the legal majority voting citizens of a given state want.
Remember in November 2020!
MAGA!
HUUUUUGE tax increase!!!!!!
The POS Sanders should be in prison with the other 534 looters. His assets should be confiscated.
Socialism Is Legal Plunder-Bastiat
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
And for two bits Bernie could be declared brain dead.
Medicare for all is not only a tax increase but also a freedom decrease...
Then you would be correct in saying it is unconstitutional. The only thing stopping congress now is politics. But that is true for every law they pass. After a law is passed then a plaintiff with standing can bring a case to the unconstitutionality of the law, but only then.
Get it?
Get over yourself, you arrogant prick.
in order to make it unconstitutional for congress to pass a law
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.
You don't "pass a law" to make something unconstitutional. Congress must be granted the authority to do something. See Article 1 for a list of those things. If Congress is not granted the authority to do something, that authority is reserved to the States or to the People.
Amendment 10:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
You couldn't be more wrong about the actual intent of the Constitution if you were actually trying to be wrong.
Then you would be correct in saying it is unconstitutional.
I AM correct on this matter. Have you ever even read the Constitution? You show absolutely no evidence thereof.
The only thing stopping congress now is politics.
The Congress, the courts, and a succession of Presidents have colluded to ignore the Constitution. They are operating illegally ... a fact that should be obvious ... pretending otherwise is idiotic.
That doesn't make their misconduct "Constitutional". It makes their conduct unlawful.
Get it?
I said pass an amendment you moron. You are totally clueless and it is scaring me. I hope you are an outlier.
Hillary: Where Was Bernie During My Health Care Fight?
[[40 million illegals using the most expensive ‘health care’ in the world - - the American Hospital Emergency Room]]
Exactly- illegals are costing htis ocuntry between $400 BILLION and $600 BILLION Dollars per year- and htis is just part of the reason why
If an illegal sees a private doctor the visit might cost $95 - but THEY would have to pay it.
So illegals go to emergency rooms - for the same ‘runny nose’ - and the visit cost $2,500.
They don’t pay a dime, the hospital charges top dollar - then uses the unpaid bill as a tax write-off, and taxpayers get the hit twice. Once for the illegal and once for the hospital.
You're still wrong.
You pass an amendment to GRANT ADDITIONAL POWER to the Congress. See, for example, the misbegotten 16th and 18th amendments. YOU, sir, are the totally clueless one.
Once again, I challenge you:
SHOW ME THE PROVISION IN THE CONSTITUTION IN WHICH CONGRESS IS GRANTED THE AUTHORITY TO LEGISLATE "HEALTHCARE FOR ALL".
You won't do it.
You can't do it.
It doesn't exist.
You know that.
I know that.
That wretched communist Bernie Sanders knows it, too.
He just doesn't care.
You seem to have some bizarre fetish for trying to square the actual behavior of our government, behavior which is in direct and willful defiance of the Constitution, with the Constitution itself.
Quit.
It's a fool's errand, and it's making you look very foolish indeed.
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