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The Planet Has Seen Sudden Warming Before. It Wiped Out Almost Everything
New York Times ^ | December 7, 2018 | Carl Zimmer

Posted on 12/09/2018 8:08:53 AM PST by EdnaMode

Some 252 million years ago, Earth almost died.

In the oceans, 96 percent of all species became extinct. It’s harder to determine how many terrestrial species vanished, but the loss was comparable.

This mass extinction, at the end of the Permian Period, was the worst in the planet’s history, and it happened over a few thousand years at most — the blink of a geological eye.

On Thursday, a team of scientists offered a detailed accounting of how marine life was wiped out during the Permian-Triassic mass extinction. Global warming robbed the oceans of oxygen, they say, putting many species under so much stress that they died off.

And we may be repeating the process, the scientists warn. If so, then climate change is “solidly in the category of a catastrophic extinction event,” said Curtis Deutsch, an earth scientist at the University of Washington and co-author of the new study, published in the journal Science.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: EdnaMode
I can really equate to something that happened 252 million years ago.

What a bunch of da's

21 posted on 12/09/2018 8:23:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: EdnaMode

Hmmm...

Did the “scientists” also “report” who was driving all those SUVs 252 million years ago? No?

When the “scientists” stop air conditioning their labs, their homes and their cars, I MAY start believing that they really are concerned about rising CO2.


22 posted on 12/09/2018 8:23:45 AM PST by pfony1
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To: ETL

luv it


23 posted on 12/09/2018 8:25:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: EdnaMode

If the Earth gets wiped out it’s just going to kill a whole bunch of racists, so so much the better.


24 posted on 12/09/2018 8:25:14 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: EdnaMode
Some 252 million years ago, Earth almost died.

I feel I must post this tidbit from George Carlin once again.
The Earth is gonna be just fine. The people are effed.

“We’re so self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.” And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I’m tired of this shit. I’m tired of f-ing Earth Day. I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!

We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam … The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?”

Plastic… @$$hole.”

- - George Carlin

25 posted on 12/09/2018 8:25:35 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should be less concerned about who we might offend and more concerned with who we inspire)
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To: Spok

Hey, it is like a religion. It IS a religion.


26 posted on 12/09/2018 8:26:01 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: EdnaMode

“...and it happened over a few thousand years at most...”

To put it into perspective, and giving them the benefit of the doubt, a few thousand years is 3,000 years. 3,000 years ago, Jesus was still A thousand years away from being born.

Think of how much has happened in between then and now and recognize that this is the “emergency” they’re trying to solve NOW.


27 posted on 12/09/2018 8:26:12 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (If we disarmed democrats gun violence would decrease by 90%.)
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To: EdnaMode

What kind of fossil fuels were the Permian Era creatures burning?


28 posted on 12/09/2018 8:27:04 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: EdnaMode

The Planet Has Seen Sudden Warming Before. It Wiped Out Almost Everything.

NY Slimes?= Hogwash.


29 posted on 12/09/2018 8:28:15 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: EdnaMode
Just how much warmer the planet will get is up to us. It will take a tremendous international effort to keep the increase below about 4 degrees Fahrenheit.

Yep, it's the collective fault of mankind.

30 posted on 12/09/2018 8:29:16 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Love that bit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4


31 posted on 12/09/2018 8:30:28 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: EdnaMode

Almost every Summer it gets warmer


32 posted on 12/09/2018 8:31:15 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Sacajaweau
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33 posted on 12/09/2018 8:31:24 AM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: EdnaMode

There is no fall this year. Just early winter. Seems there is lower than normal sunspot activity.

Hey Algore? Did you factor in the sun? Schmuck.


34 posted on 12/09/2018 8:32:22 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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To: EdnaMode

Bunch of Horsecrap. Want something that will ruin your day for tens of thousands of years.....Ice Age!!!


35 posted on 12/09/2018 8:32:28 AM PST by ontap
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To: null and void

It was 25 degrees F. last night in Texas. So, What warming?

hee hee hee

Oh but the 2-3” of snow will be great on my freshly planted seed wheat plot.


36 posted on 12/09/2018 8:32:30 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: pfony1

***who was driving all those SUVs 252 million years ago?***

But, but I remember reading news reports of fossilized finds of ancient cultures! A hammer or a brass bar found in ancient limestone! fossilized carved wood! Ancient submerged cities found off the coast of Peru!

Lots of speculations in regular newspapers about the ancients living before 200 million years ago, or earlier! Newspapers would not lie now would they?

sarc:


37 posted on 12/09/2018 8:33:27 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: EdnaMode

Yes. More attempts to convert a free nation into a totalitarian state, an economy comntrolled by axioms of liberal fascist scientists. They can go and f**k off.

Our US culture is pretty good at preserving our environment
and man alone cannot influence of prevent extinction events on the earth. Thank goodness for that.

What did the fauna do at the end of the Permian-Triassic period? Gas themselves by too much shit to cause global warming? The humans were not around then? Or was it a huge meteor or volcanic activity?

Its the sun stupid. The largest driver of climate change and all we can do is get ahead of the curve and ride it out, you science fools. Get out of politics and stay in the lab.

And get religion.


38 posted on 12/09/2018 8:35:26 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: EdnaMode
It occurs to me that if enough carbon gets sequestered, there is less carbon available to form the essential plant nutrient CO2, fewer, punier plants means less oxygen, less oxygen dissolved in the seas is the signature they are using to blame higher temperatures.

"The groups with the highest survival rates generally had active control of circulation, elaborate gas exchange mechanisms, and light calcification; more heavily calcified organisms with simpler breathing apparatuses suffered the greatest loss of species diversity." (Wiki)

I read this to mean critters that were dependent on CO2 to form shells suffered the most when CO2 levels fell, and critters who couldn't actively 'breathe' suffered when with the lower O2 levels they couldn't pump enough of the depleted oxygen into their systems.

39 posted on 12/09/2018 8:37:00 AM PST by null and void (Socialist Worker's Party. If they ever get elected, you'll work and they'll party.)
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To: EdnaMode

This is a re-hash of a ‘study’ done years ago.

Wonder why the NYT reruns it just now?


40 posted on 12/09/2018 8:38:24 AM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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