Posted on 01/01/2018 1:10:56 PM PST by Kaslin
What I thought would be kinda neat for the various expanded universe and origin stories is if they would take a classic film or story and use it as a loose template for a Star Wars movie. I mean, imagine a Star Wars movie showing how Han meets Chewy while a bounty hunter chases them that’s loosely based on The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly! Or maybe a movie where Obiwan guards a young Luke on Tatooine based on Lone Wolf and Cub?
No, the last two movies have been Disney productions based on screen-writer and director fan-fic. But while he was doing them, despite all the woof-woof that they were all plotted out, George Lucas was making it up—and changing it up with the Special Editions—as he went along.
Me either, I streamed the thing.
The premise that there never was any "good guys" has long been a staple of left propaganda. The thing they hated about Reagan was his unwillingness to see "gray", drawing instead a stark contrast between "good" and "evil."
Rather than being an epic battle between the forces of light and darkness, this movie recalls the immortal words of Homer Simpson.
Killing off an Original Trilogy character is the least problematic part of this movie, aside from how it happened.
Heresy! the Force definitely will not be with you.
This is a really well-written article.
Hollywood is the abode of a population dominated by criminals and perverts. Of course they support a world view where all is gray. They are then justified in their corruption and perversion. No one dare criticize them. There is no right or wrong, just wealth and power.
They are too foolish to understand that in such a society they themselves would be slaves. They don’t have the stomach to fight and would fall to the first Stalin who would inevitably arise in a society without right or wrong.
The original Star Wars was a space story using the Dungeons and Dragons alignments of Lawful Good (Jedi), facing Lawful Evil(Sith), with a Chaotic Neutral(Han Solo) thrown in for good measure.
After that, it lost the original charm, and became “The Great Quest for TOY SALES!”
There are some REALLY, REALLY good books out there from the SW Universe, but Disney doesn’t own them, and would have to pay actual royalties to the creators of them. Which WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
And the money tree is delivering. $500 million domestic, $1 billion worldwide so far.
The issue is that George Lucas sold the franchise as a piece of private property, and the new owners of said private property have new ideas on what to do with it.
The fans are stuck on Lucas' vision of it, but it's not Lucas' property anymore. What's the word for forcing the owner of private property to do something with it against their own desires?
-PJ
“So, what do you do when a beloved cast becomes too old to maintain the characters?”
That was the problem with Casablanca 7, when Rick and Ilsa’s illegitimate son becomes a communist in reaction to being illegitimate, and we find that Victor Laszlo became a transvestite at the end of his life when he realized that Ilsa really preferred Rick.
Why couldn’t they let the first 3 Casablanca films stand on their own?
I agree with most of this... except... the books were NOT destoryed... Ray has them! they showed them near the end of the film in her room. Ray had already taken them when yoda burned the tree.
-PJ
We have a bad guy who is “bad”, because he has daddy issues. If he was a female he would have been a stripper at “Cantina Royale”.
As far as I remember only one Jedi thought Anakin was the chosen one, until Obi-wan called him that in Episode III. Nothing about Palpatine screamed Sith Lord until Episode III, to the characters in the movie. The Jedi actual acted on the side of good for the Republic, because of the actions of Count Dooku and the manipulation of the Trade Federation. It was pretty straightforward and simple.
Now we have a Star Wars that has way too many unanswered questions and huge “leaps of faith” cause “reasons”. Rian Johnson has managed to outdo the ridiculousness of the mitichlorian disaster, by having anyone have force powers, and be able to master them without training (something Abrams pushed the envelope with in TFA).
FIRST SW was good vs evil. Then Darth became Luke’s father and Ben’s student and it all started getting grey. Then you get the prequel trilogy and midicholorians and the chosen one and raw Jedi incompetence and the Jedi screwing over Anakin. By the time Darth screams NOOOOOO it’s all grey. This movie bring back binary, and a big part of that is acknowledging that the Jedi just ain’t all that.
There’s plenty of evil folks in LJ, Kylo Ren is full on evil by the end, they toyed around with him having an Anakin style redemption and he literally threw it away. Ren is evil, pure and simple. And Rey rejects it, she is good, pure and simple.
There’s plenty of reason to come back. And we all know you will. All this hollow posturing from whiney assed fans is so pathetic. 2 years ago the crowd was bitching about how stupid FA was and they weren’t coming back, and then they came back and are now bitching about how stupid LJ is and they’re not coming back. But you WILL come back, because you’re hooked. Also it’s going to be interesting to see how they handle it.
SW is more good v evil now than it has been in 37 years. And if you bothered to actually pay attention to what happened between “I am your father” and “nooooo” you’d know that.
They had new ideas to basically revoke the fundamental premise upon which the entire franchise was originally founded. I actually think this approach is fundamentally flawed as a form of entertainment. Going all the way back to Greek Theater, you pretty much have to have a protagonist and an antagonist. Making them equally odious would tend to have audiences wishing they could both lose. They are in "a pox on both your houses" territory here.
The fans are stuck on Lucas' vision of it, but it's not Lucas' property anymore. What's the word for forcing the owner of private property to do something with it against their own desires?
I don't think anyone is suggesting they don't have a right to wreck their own franchise. I think people are simply pointing out that they appear to be wrecking it. Perhaps subsequent fans will see the merit in what they have done, but a lot of existing fans think it was folly. (Also Mark Hamill seems to think so tool.)
Sounds as if the murderous Kyhmer Rouge of Cambodia would’ve loved this movie.
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