Posted on 09/23/2017 12:47:23 AM PDT by Daffynition
Workers in Moscow have cut out part of a new monument to a Russian creator of the world famous AK-47 assault rifle because a weapon depicted on the statue was actually a German-designed firearm.
Mikhail Kalashnikov's monument was opened this week to great fanfare by government officials and members of the Russian Orthodox Church.
But arms experts said a drawing on the base of the statue showed the StG 44 rifle used by the Nazis during WWII.
It was removed by an angle grinder.
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He’s up there with Browning, Gatling and the rest.
They’ve got the wrong one circled in the picture. The StG44 is to the left.
If it actually is one, it looks like that would be an early derivative possibly as MK studied that rifle in designing the AK.
The Sturmgewehr 44 is on the top and the AK-47 is on the bottom.
Kalashnikov couldn’t carry John Moses Browning’s jock strap, Vet. The AK bolt and something else were borrowed from Browning patents.
And he designed one rifle by basically lifting a copy of the Stuhrmgewehr 44, but with loose tolerances for illiterate peasants who weren’t expected to clean them often..
And Mikhael still managed to put the bolt on the wrong side of the receiver. Maybe he was concerned Soviets couldn’t learn trigger discipline.
The Russians team couldn’t get the stamped receiver right, so tried a milled receiver, then gave up and brought in Schmeisser and a crew of Germans to hammer out the bugs.
I own three AK copies by the way. It’s good enough for government work and is as tough as a boot.
Few could. He is one of a small, select group that has been successful across a wide spectrum of firearms types. In many ways he was the right man at the right time. I used to be critical of Browning's penchant for "using two parts to do the job of one," but that was a bit unfair considering that he was constrained by the production processes of his time/place.
Kalashnikov strikes me as one of those designers who was less of an original genius than he was a keen observer and an intelligent, practical man.
Mr. niteowl77
Thanks for posting the photos. I keep looking at the pictures of the monument and still can’t find the STG 44. The AK has an absolutely characteristic safety that’s shaped like a paddle and a slanted back to its receiver. Aside from the machine gun at the top left of the monument and the sub machine gun near it, all I see are ordinary AKs and variants thereof. I just don’t see anything with a gas cylinder like the one on the STG.
I think the STG 44 is the broken down schematic pictured on the flat panel.
1. A captured Sturmgewehr 44 (MP 44)
2. A PPSh-41
3. A PPS-43
During the design stage of the AK-47. That's why in the end, the AK-47 borrowed a lot from the basic configuration of the MP 44.
“The StG44 is to the left.”
Definitely not to the left. Those are all guns invented by Kalashnikov. The right drawing is circled - as noted by other news outlets: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41367394
This is all just an effort to hide where he got his ideas from. The artist was cheeky enough to know people would be upset if he included the Sturmgewehr 44 so he included it as a drawing (probably in the hopes that only people with knowledge and understanding would even see it).
“Kalashnikov couldn’t carry John Moses Browning’s jock strap, Vet.”
That’s true. Browning was a true innovator, a great designer. K. was a derivative tinkerer - a very good one, but not a great original thinker.
The StG44 is the exploded drawing underneath the weapon that's circled.
The wrong rifle is circled in the picture. A child could see he screwed up. Are you blind?
“The wrong rifle is circled in the picture. A child could see he screwed up. Are you blind?”
1) I am very familiar with AK-47 clones. The weapon circled is the only weapon with an STG 44 style stock. THE ONLY ONE. You can tell the other weapons shown are NOT the STG 44 because they are either dramatically different in design, or are AK-47s. All of the AK-47s have the exact same features as the ones I have owned (before my harrowing canoeing accident, of course).
2) All news outlets agree that the weapon circled is the STG 44.
3) The sculptor, Salavat Scherbakov, admitted his “mistake” in including THAT weapon in THAT spot. Thus, it is the STG 44.
4) That weapon - the one circled - is the ONLY one that has been removed as “after” pictures show. Here’s a photo: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/german-weapon-removed-mikhail-kalashnikov-statue-170923004934837.html
And another: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4527703/kalashnikov-statue-wrong-gun-ak-47-stg-44/
Save yourself some embarrassment and NEVER question me on anything.
The StG is in the *exploded diagram* at extreme right, pretty large.
Looking more closely, all the weapon depicted have an AK style safety lever. The stg did not. Maybe the exploded view weapon is an stg?
“Maybe the exploded view weapon is an stg?”
You’re just figuring out that NOW?????? And you asked if I were blind? What weapon do you think we’ve been talking about the whole time? It’s the weapon that is CIRCLED.
(sigh)
The stg has a Bakelite fore grip. The one circled did not. I didn’t look at the exploded view. My mistake. I will go to he eye dock next week.
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