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Stephen Hawking stuns physicists by declaring ‘there are no black holes’—says there are GREY ones
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 15:59 EST, 24 January 2014 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 01/25/2014 12:03:14 AM PST by Olog-hai

Stephen Hawking has shocked physicists by admitting “there are no black holes”.

In a paper published online, Professor Hawking instead argues there are “grey holes”.

“The absence of event horizons means that there are no black holes—in the sense of regimes from which light can't escape to infinity,” he says in the paper, called Information Preservation and Weather Forecasting For Black Holes.

He says that the idea of an event horizon, from which light cannot escape, is flawed.

He suggests that instead light rays attempting to rush away from the black hole’s core will be held as though stuck on a treadmill and that they can slowly shrink by spewing out radiation. …

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: blackhole; blackholes; eventhorizon; grayholes; greyhole; stephenhawking; stringtheory; unitedkingdom
Don’t tell me this is a concession to John Wiley Price, now. If this “genius” can adopt an anti-Israel stance despite the evidence supporting Israel, anything is possible.
1 posted on 01/25/2014 12:03:15 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Can photons be trapped in orbit?


2 posted on 01/25/2014 12:12:50 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Olog-hai
"The Principle" Documentary Trailer

Mic'd Up "The Principle: Is Earth Really the Center of the Universe?"

3 posted on 01/25/2014 1:16:56 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: Olog-hai
Black hole expert Don Page, of the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, admits: 'The picture Hawking gives sounds reasonable.'
Black hole expert - Lmao!
4 posted on 01/25/2014 1:57:40 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Look how easy this “Black hole expert” rolls over - LoL!


5 posted on 01/25/2014 2:00:05 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: Olog-hai
RSR's 2014 List of Not So Old Things
6 posted on 01/25/2014 2:04:17 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: Olog-hai

7 posted on 01/25/2014 2:24:32 AM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
event horizons

Laurence Fishburne just flashed before my eyes.

8 posted on 01/25/2014 4:06:27 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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Meet the Indian who took on Stephen Hawking
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1183887/posts


9 posted on 01/25/2014 4:18:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Olog-hai; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; ...
Thanks Olog-hai.


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10 posted on 01/25/2014 4:21:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Olog-hai

Black, grey, green or purple, Stevie is going to be heading into it some day for eternity.


11 posted on 01/25/2014 4:29:13 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Organic Panic

Now, I am no physicist but this is causing me trouble. If:

-All matter in the universe consists of atoms

-The force of gravity has the same effect on all matter

Then how does a “grey hole” that will consume stars and planets made of atoms also at the same time give light waves made of atoms a pass?


12 posted on 01/25/2014 4:39:22 AM PST by FAA
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To: Olog-hai

I know there are mulatto ‘holes and they are highly destructive.


13 posted on 01/25/2014 4:50:08 AM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: outofsalt

“Black hole” is a racist term. Now he will be considered to be a compassionate “Progressive” by the media for his sensitivity in changing the term.


14 posted on 01/25/2014 5:06:00 AM PST by Uncle Lonny
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To: FAA

As I understand it, “dark matter” is not made up of atoms and in theory it makes up most of the universe.
Light is made up of photons, not atoms, but still is trapped by black holes.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the ideas and it’s unlikely they’ll all be resolved in our lifetimes.


15 posted on 01/25/2014 5:22:36 AM PST by stormhill
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To: outofsalt

I see what you did there!
LOL.


16 posted on 01/25/2014 5:25:27 AM PST by left that other site
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

Of possible interest to the ping list.


17 posted on 01/25/2014 5:33:27 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave (The democRATic party preys on the ignorant..!)
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To: Olog-hai

He did not want to be called a racist.


18 posted on 01/25/2014 5:35:19 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Olog-hai

19 posted on 01/25/2014 6:27:09 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Uncle Lonny
“Black hole” is a racist term.

Nailed it!

20 posted on 01/25/2014 6:42:16 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: Olog-hai

If there’s one thing one can count on in physics is that whatever they proclaim as fact will eventually be replaced with another fact. The other truth is I personally won’t understand either!!


21 posted on 01/25/2014 7:04:11 AM PST by ontap
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To: Organic Panic

yes photons could be stuck in orbit

If gravity can affect photons so that light cannot excape a black hole then it is NOT an either/or scenario.

Light can be seen to bend around galaxies by ‘graviational lensing’ and there is no reason to thing a photon’s path could not be ‘bent’ enough to keep going around forever.


22 posted on 01/25/2014 7:16:40 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Olog-hai

Yet again, we are presented with an example of why scientific theories are never to be taken too seriously — even though the scientists themselves invariably claim that they have “finally solved the riddle of [fill in the blank].


23 posted on 01/25/2014 8:33:48 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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BenLurkin said: "Yet again, we are presented with an example of why scientific theories are never to be taken too seriously"

Some scientific theories prove to be so weak that they only "explain" observations that have already been made.

Some theories, however, are of such a nature that they suggest new observations to make and predict what those observations will be.

An example is the theory of General Relativity. Without having observed it, Einstein predicted the bending of light in a gravitational field. About fifteen years after the theory was presented, the opportunity to make observations that would confirm that prediction arose and the prediction was verified (though there is controversy about the accuracy of those observations.)

New scientific theories are constrained by having to explain all past observations.

The original theory of black holes was to explain what would happen if more and more matter was allowed to collect into one location, creating a gravitational field that we already know would prevent the escape of light.

Subsequent observations showed that some energy was being emitted despite the prohibitive level of the gravitational field.

Hawking, I believe, is given the credit for explaining how quantum theory WOULD allow reactions to occur at or near the "even horizon" such that mass/energy trapped in the black hole could escape and be detected. This mechanism demonstrates that "black holes" are not completely "black". They can give up mass/energy and become smaller with time.

One should be careful not to confuse global-warming studies with "science".

24 posted on 01/25/2014 9:17:28 AM PST by William Tell
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To: Olog-hai

I shoulda became a scientist. I can make up $hit for lots of money just as good as anyone else.


25 posted on 01/25/2014 9:27:33 AM PST by Delta 21 (If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom. Period.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Please sign me up for the pings for strings!


26 posted on 01/25/2014 11:25:53 AM PST by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this...")
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To: Olog-hai

I think they should be called “Redskin holes.”


27 posted on 01/25/2014 11:29:22 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

:’)


28 posted on 01/25/2014 3:07:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Olog-hai
Stephen, this is not helping me a bit. I didn't understand what a black hole was and now I don't understand what a gray hole is either!
29 posted on 01/25/2014 3:15:02 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Daffynition

you need to see a dermatologist stat


30 posted on 01/25/2014 4:35:59 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: ought-six

As a grey person, I am offended.


31 posted on 01/25/2014 4:43:08 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: FAA
The first paragraph in the Wikipedia entry on Photons reads:

A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has zero rest mass; this allows long distance interactions. Like all elementary particles, photons are currently best explained by quantum mechanics and exhibit wave–particle duality, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. For example, a single photon may be refracted by a lens or exhibit wave interference with itself, but also act as a particle giving a definite result when its position is measured.

The key element in the above paragraph is bolded. Having no rest mass, photons are unaffected by the black/grey hole's gravity. This is a VERY simplified explanation but all I'm up to at the moment.

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32 posted on 01/25/2014 5:45:38 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks,.... he must be looking at the weird brilliant star object I posed on yesterday.,,,

Will look for the thread.

33 posted on 01/26/2014 3:47:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All
Related thread:

Weird Black Hole's Incredible Brightness Perplexes Scientists

34 posted on 01/26/2014 4:05:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Olog-hai

ping


35 posted on 01/26/2014 4:06:52 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Olog-hai

36 posted on 01/26/2014 4:07:46 PM PST by dfwgator
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