Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Cruz: Mandela Will Live In History for Defenders of Liberty
Press Office of Ted Cruz ^ | December 5, 2013 | Ted Cruz?

Posted on 12/06/2013 3:05:17 PM PST by re_nortex

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-76 last
To: BfloGuy
May we all “get real”, but also all adhere to ALL of the factual recorded history, because it actually happened in our lifetimes,and was recorded in many formats, as ugly as it was.

Because I promise you, we are all about to repeat it, yet again, since the PC spin is again in play!

History, even recent history (the last 100 years), is not a topic that can be explained or understood by PC slogans and soundbites.

Nelson Mandela was extremely influential in ridding South Africa of the yoke of the former UK Empire.
As a partial breed BlackFoot, and 100% USA citizen, I can tend to admire him for his success in liberating his tribe from the enemy my ancestors battled, but failed to overcome.

As a “mixed breed person” myself,I am probably more open to accepting that incredible horrors were perpetrated on my own relatives due to our tribal affiliations, for several generations, and how hard my ancestors fought those who won those wars.

Apartheid was “bad”, but genocide is even worse, by several levels and degrees of evil.

BTW, how is SA doing now?

61 posted on 12/06/2013 7:45:46 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: Texas Songwriter

MANDELA THE MYTH

www.sarahmaidofalbion.blogspot.com

http://www.spainvia.com/sarahmandela.htm

INTRODUCTION.

Sarah, the author of this factual article (written just before the 90th birthday party of this media celebrity), is an Englishwoman endowed with an incisive and razor-sharp understanding of South Africa ‘s recent history as I do having lived there for 24 years. Unlike so many millions of brain-washed lemmings in the UK, she sees right through the media-contrived smoke & mirrors, lies and myths as propounded by the MSM. (Mass Media.) Thanks to Sarah for the OK to reproduce this here. It says it all.

It is often said that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, however, this usually means that the other man has been less than fastidious in his choice of hero, or that the ‘freedom fighter’ in question was on the crowd pleasing side. On the 27th of June, 2008 London’s Hyde Park played host to a concert in honour of Nelson Mandela’s 90th birthday and it received wall to wall coverage by a star struck and worshipping media, who will continue to laud Mandela as one of the greatest, or indeed the greatest, heroes of our time.

The beaming old man will appeared on stage in one of his trademark multi-coloured shirts and cheerily acknowledge the cheers of the adoring crowd, most of whom have been taught to believe in his sainthood since their first days in primary school, which, for many of them, will have occurred around the same time their hero walked free from Robben Island.

The unquestioning belief in Mandela’s universally admired saintliness will again be displayed in the press and by the unending line of politicians and dignitaries who will queue up to genuflect before him and sing his praises. It is a brave politician or journalist who would dare to question the godliness of this legend and consummate showman, and hence no such questions will be raised, nor will his much vaunted ‘achievements’ be subjected to any objective scrutiny.

No matter how many speeches are given or how many news articles are written, it is safe to bet that the full truth about Mandela will not be told except by those who know and care about history being recorded factually.

In fact the truth about Mandela is so hidden in mythology and misinformation that most know nothing about him prior to Robben island, and those who do tend to exercise a form of self censorship, designed to bolster the myth whilst consigning uncomfortable facts into the mists of history.

For most people all they know about Mandela, prior to his release in 1990, was that he had spent 27 years in prison and was considered by many on the left at the time (and almost everyone now) to be a political prisoner. However, Mandela was no Burmese Aung San Suu Kyi, he was not an innocent, democratically elected leader, imprisoned by an authoritarian government.

Mandela was the terrorist leader of a violent terrorist organisation, the ANC (African National Congress) which was responsible for many thousands of, mostly black, deaths. The ANC’s blood spattered history is frequently ignored, but reminders occasionally pop up in the most embarrassing places, indeed as recently as this month the names of Nelson Mandela and most of the ANC remained on the US government’s terrorist watch list along with al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Tamil Tigers. Of course the forces of political correctness are rushing to amend that embarrassing reminder from the past. However, Mandela’s name was not on that list by mistake, he was there because of his MURDEROUS PAST.

Before I am accused of calumny, it should be noted that Mandela does not seek to hide his past, in his autobiography ‘the long walk to Freedom’ he casually admits ‘signing off’ the 1983 Church Street bombing carried out by the ANC and killing 19 innocent people whilst injuring another 200.

It is true that Mandela approved that massacre and other ANC killings from his prison cell, and there is no evidence that he personally killed anyone but the same could be said about Stalin or Hitler, and the violent history of the ANC, the organisation he led is not in question.

According to the Human Rights Commission it is estimated that during the Apartheid period some 21,000 people were killed, however both the UN Crimes against Humanity commission and South Africa’s own Truth and Reconciliation Commission are in agreement that in those 43 years the South African Security forces killed a total of 518 people.
The rest, (some 92%) were accounted for by Africans killing Africans, many by means of the notorious and gruesome practice of necklacing whereby a car tyre full of petrol is placed around a victim’s neck and set alight.

This particularly cruel form of execution was frequently carried out at the behest of the ANC with the enthusiastic support of Mandela’s demonic wife Winnie.

The brutal reappearance of the deadly necklace in recent weeks is something I shall reluctantly focus upon later.
Given that so much blood was on the hands of his party, and, as such, the newly appointed government, some may conclude that those who praised Mandela’s mercy and forgiveness, when the Truth and Reconciliation tribunal set up after he came to power, to look into the Apartheid years, did not include a provision for sanctions, were being deliberately naive.

Such naivety is not uncommon when it comes to the adoring reporting of Nelson Mandela, and neither is the great leader himself rarely shy of playing up his image of fatherly elder statesman and multi-purpose paragon.

However, in truth, the ANC’s conscious decision to reject a policy of non-violence, such as that chosen by Gandhi, in their struggle against the white government, had left them, and by extension, their leader, with at least as much blood on their hands as their one time oppressors, and this fact alone prevented them from enacting the revenge which might otherwise have been the case.

As the first post Apartheid president of South Africa it would, be unfair if not ludicrous to judge Mandela entirely on the basis of events before he came to power, and in any event there is many a respected world leader or influential statesman with a blood stained past so in the next part I shall examine Nelson Mandela’s achievements, and the events which have occurred in South Africa in the 14 short years since he took power in following the post Apartheid election in 1994.

MANDELA - THE LEGEND AND THE LEGACY PART 2, BY SARAH, MAID OF ALBION.

In the second of two articles examining the life of Nelson Mandela, in advance of Friday’s concert in Hyde Park celebrating the living legend’s 90th birthday, I shall look at his legacy and the new South Africa which he created after coming to power on a surge of worldwide optimism and hope in 1994, when, following the end of Apartheid, he and his followers promised a new dawn for what became termed the Rainbow Nation.

Today South Africa has the reputation of being one of the most dangerous and crime ridden nations on Earth which is not actively at War. In 2001, only seven years after the end of Apartheid, whilst the city of Amsterdam in the Netherlands with 5,6 murders per 100,000 population was declared the ‘murder capitol of Europe’, Johannesburg, with 61.2 murders per 100,00 population and remains the world’s top murder city.

In South Africa as a whole, the murder rate is seven times that of America, in terms of rape the rate is ten times as high and includes the ugly phenomenon of child rape, one of the few activities in which South Africa is now a world leader. If you don’t believe me, you can read what Oprah Winfrey has to say about it here.

All other forms of violent crime are out of control, and Johannesburg is among the top world cities for muggings and violent assault, a fact seldom mentioned in connection with the FIFA Soccer 2010 World Cup which is scheduled to be hosted in South Africa.

As always with black violence the primary victims are their fellow blacks, however, the rape, murder and violent assault of whites is a daily event, and there is more .....

As with the Rhodesian/Zimbabwean Matabeleland massacres, news of which the BBC, together with much of the world media suppressed for twenty years to protect their one time hero, Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe, another secret genocide is being ignored by the world media, the genocide of white Boer farmers, thousands of whom have been horribly tortured to death in their homes since the end of Apartheid. Anyone who clicks on this link should we warned that it includes some very gruesome images as the savagery of these attacks belie the authorities attempts to dismiss them as nothing more than a ‘crime wave’.

Given that it is now all but illegal in South Africa to report the race of either victim or the perpetrator of a crime (unless the perpetrator is white and the victim black) and as modern South Africa’s official crime statistics are notoriously massaged, it is impossible to know the exact numbers of farm murders that have taken place. Many reliable sources estimate the figure as close to 3,000, but even if we take the more conservative figure of 1,600 quoted in the politically correct South African press (but not quoted at all in ours) this is three times the numbers killed by the South African security forces over a period of 43 years, and which the UN calls a crime against humanity.

To put this in perspective, the population of South Africa is 47 million, (13 million less than Britain despite its far greater land mass) of which the 4.3 million whites account for 9.1%, about 1% less than the immigrant population of Britain. Can you imagine the outcry if 1,600 (let alone 3,000) members of a minority community in Britain were tortured to death by the native population?

Yet when the victims are white, there is hardly a peep in the South African press and silence from the international media. Compare this to when a white youth is the killer, such as in the case of white farmer Johan Nel, who shot three Africans who were trespassing on his farm, a story which became instant world-wide news with the predictable screams of racism and machete wielding mobs baying for his blood.

And they accuse us of hate?!! Don’t such people nauseate themselves with their hypocrisy?!)

Crime aside, Mandela and his ANC inherited the strongest economy in Africa, indeed, despite economic sanctions, South Africa was still one of the richest nations in the world, and indeed initially there was a brief post Apartheid boom, resulting from the lifting of sanctions and due to the fact that until affirmative action forced most of the whites out of their jobs to be replaced by under qualified blacks, those who had built South Africa were still in place.

However, any optimism was to be short lived. Now, after just 14 years of rule by Mandela and his grim successor Mbeki, corruption is rife, the country is beset with power cuts and the infrastructure is crumbling. The nation’s great cities like Durban and Johannesburg, which could once rival the likes of Sydney, Vancouver and San Francisco, had descended in to decaying crime-ridden slums within a decade.

And in the last few weeks we have seen the so called Rainbow nations ultimate humiliation, as xenophobic anti immigration violence spreads across the country. “Xenophobic” is what the media call racism when blacks do it. As poverty and unemployment explodes and is exacerbated by the floods of immigrants flooding in to escape the even more advanced Africanisation of the rest of the continent, the mobs turn on those they blame for stealing their jobs, their homes, and their women.

Thus the cycle turns, and, like watching some barbaric version of ‘Back to the Future’, on the news we see exactly the same scenes we saw on our televisions twenty years ago, wrecked buildings, burning vehicles, mobs brandishing machetes, axes and knives hacking at everything and everyone which comes within their reach.

Most horrific of all, we see the return of that most savage symbol of African brutality, the necklace where, to the cheers of a blood thirsty crowd, some poor trembling soul, with a tyre around his neck, is dragged from his home and set alight, exactly as all those other poor souls were set alight throughout the Apartheid years, when we were told it was all the evil white man’s fault. But the white Africans never ever did such a terrible thing: only the terrorists now in power did that to scare the other black Africans into joining their cause.

As nothing else the return of the necklace exposes the failure of Mandela’s revolution, and those who fought for him should weep.

Under Apartheid, blacks and whites went to separate hospitals but they received world class health care, whatever their colour. Now the facilities are collapsing or non-existent.

Black children went to different schools than white children, but they received an education, something which is now a privileged luxury. When they grew up, their bosses may have been white, but they had jobs and a living wage, as the recent violence shows us, such security is but a memory for most South Africans.

Eighteen years after Nelson and Winnie made their historic walk towards the cameras, and 14 years, since Mandela assumed power on a tide of optimism, a once proud South Africa slides like a crumbling, crime-ridden, wreck towards a precipice created through greed, corruption and incompetence.

For all his gleaming smiles, grandfatherly hand gestures, and folksy sound bites, tomorrow night, when crowd cheers the retired terrorist in the gaudy shirt, they would do best not to focus too closely upon his much admired legacy, as they might just find that the Xhosan Emperor has no clothes. For Nelson Mandela’s lasting achievement is that, in the face of a world wishing him well, he, and the party he leads, have shown the world that, for all its flaws, Apartheid was a more benign system than what replaced it, and that the average South African was immeasurably better off under the hated white rule than they are under the alternative that black rule has since created.

That is quite an achievement, Mr. Mandela; Happy Birthday.
As an addition, if Nelson Mandela was treated so badly, why is he now 90 years of age? In a black governed country in Africa, he would have died within months if he had not been hanged the time.


62 posted on 12/06/2013 8:04:06 PM PST by Dqban22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Paine in the Neck

MANDELA DEFENDED GADHAFI, CASTRO, ARAFAT... OPPRESSORS AND GENOCIDES

THE MYTHS AND REALITIES OF NELSON MANDELA

http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/12/06/the-myths-and-realities-of-nelson-mandela/

By: DSWright Friday December 6, 2013

TED KOPPEL INTERVIEW NELSON MANDELA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMT36t6BADc&feature=player_embedded

(Mandela defends his relationship with Yasser Arafat, Omar Gaddafi, and Fidel Castro)

With the passing of Nelson Mandela have come glowing portraits of a man dedicated to peaceful reconciliation. But that is only part of the story.

Before Mandela advocated truth and reconciliation he was not a pacifist. He was not like Gandhi or Martin Luther King. He did not value non-violence for its own sake. He saw violence as a tool to be used or discarded pending the layout of the political battlefield.

Nelson Mandela was never a pacifist. When the Ghandi route of non-violent civil disobedience brought only violence from the state, Mandela declared “The time comes in the life of any nation when there remain only two choices – submit or fight.That time has now come to South Africa. We shall not submit and we have no choice but to hit back by all means in our power in defence of our people, our future, and our freedom”

He played a leading role in setting up the ANC’s guerrilla wing, and traveled abroad to gather support, even undergoing guerrilla training himself in Algeria, from the commanders of the FLN who had recently ejected the French colonials.


63 posted on 12/06/2013 9:38:03 PM PST by Dqban22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: re_nortex

Mandela and the ANC were on our country’s terrorist watch list until 2008.

In addition to the communist/terrorist connection, which I see has been spelled out pretty well already on this thread, Mandela “legalized” abortion in South Africa. He has the blood of at least 2 million innocent little kids on his hands.

In addition, he trotted the globe with his leftist friends, pushing abortion on the rest of the world.

Only God knows how many murders of innocents he was complicit in.


64 posted on 12/06/2013 9:53:06 PM PST by EternalVigilance (You miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance
In addition, he trotted the globe with his leftist friends, pushing abortion on the rest of the world.

On top of that, as you probably already know, Mandela was a strident homosexualist. Taken as a whole, this icon of the left was a commie, terrorist, anti-Semite, racist, abortionist and enabler of sodomy. So, when it's all added up, is it any wonder why he's so beloved by DemonRATS?

65 posted on 12/06/2013 10:32:45 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: GeronL
You do not have to support Apartheid to denounce terrorism.

I guess that settles it - Cruz is no longer worthy. Who's next???

66 posted on 12/07/2013 3:00:55 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: trebb

There is one, I think major flaw with our current conservative movement, that is the expectation of absolute perfection of anyone with the courage to stand up, and lead.

America’s greatest leaders from the founding fathers to Ted Cruz, had sometimes been a disappointment, failed to live up to lofty expectation on occasion, but you know the more one excels in their efforts, the more challenging it gets.

It seems that some here would be ready to toss Cruz under the bus, it’s a damned shame, I can’t think of one thing prior to this where Cruz was a disappointment and he has been in the lions den for only one year, and in the news everyday because he is a fighter, he is after all a politician, and sometimes he will do things for purely political reason, that is the reality of our political system and always has been.

Cruz is a champion of our constitution, when and if he violates that, then we hold his feet to the fire, but this Mandela thing is not worthy of intense criticism, there are atrocities all over the world, lets get our own house in order, it has been sorely neglected and needs major renewal.


67 posted on 12/07/2013 8:38:06 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: pollywog
I emailed his office and told him that he should have kept quiet on this one.... going to do some damage and he will need to explain to his supporters.

Only to the brain-dead ones.

It never ceases to amaze me how utterly clueless some folks here are. Here's a newsflash: To about 90% of the voting populace, Mandela was a hero. Had Senator Cruz said anything other than what he did, he would have torpedoed any ambitions towards higher office that he might hold. If his "supporters" are too freakin' stupid to comprehend certain political realities while they go about demanding that Cruz explain himself, then God help us.

68 posted on 12/07/2013 10:55:37 AM PST by Drew68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: re_nortex

With regard to the death of Mandela...

Dr. David Walter Aguado, Las Vegas, NV.

QUESTION: who was the black freedom fighter who spent more time in cruel prison?

RESPONSE: Answered you as Mandela. It is not alone. Thus they would be millions of people in the world... but they would be wrong. That sad honor is awarded to Eusebio Peñalver, a Cuban hero. Who was Eusebio Peñalver? When we speak here in the West of people of African descent who have suffered unfair prison for their ideas of freedom, only one name comes to light: Nelson Mandela.

Without subtracting merit to the South African, certain things should be clarified. One, Mandela (and this itself recognized with courage) violated the human rights of his countrymen when he opted for acts of sabotage and terrorism as a form of struggle in the early 1960s. Two, Mandela spent 27 years in prison; a long time without a doubt. Eusebio Peñalver, the forgotten black, is the black person who spent more time in prison: 28 years.

Peñalver prison was much crueler than Mandela’s because the Cuban was a “planted” from the first day behind bars, until the last minute that remained in jail. Tthere was no presidential visits for Peñalver, or the comfort of a house inside the prison. Be “planted” means that the accused does not adapt to ideological re-education plans, or puts on the uniform of common prisoners, since is herself a political prisoner (Castro says that in Cuba there are no political prisoners). As a result of this behavior, “planted” can be completely naked for an indefinite time. This type of prisoner is a constant object of physical and psychological torture, as well as an extreme abuse which violates the civil rights of any citizen. Mandela never suffered in that end.

Peñalver fought in the mountains, with the support of farmers, against the organized army of Castro. He never used terrorist methods, nor acts of sabotage that put in danger the lives of innocent people. If you add to this the fact that Mandela openly supported Castro’s dictatorship, the image of the African lose even more value.

Does ever Mandela have interested in knowing Peñalver or some other black (or white) imprisoned in Cuba, or already in exile, for defending freedom? No.


69 posted on 12/07/2013 11:27:05 AM PST by Dqban22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Las Vegas Ron

could be better I guess


70 posted on 12/07/2013 1:27:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: sarasmom
Nelson Mandela was extremely influential in ridding South Africa of the yoke of the former UK Empire.

I have no idea what your point is.

South Africa is still in the British Commonwealth.

71 posted on 12/07/2013 2:36:10 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: RIghtwardHo

spell check cannot correct grammar


72 posted on 12/07/2013 7:01:32 PM PST by aloppoct (stucnsf)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: PoloSec
Cruz is a champion of our constitution, when and if he violates that, then we hold his feet to the fire, but this Mandela thing is not worthy of intense criticism, there are atrocities all over the world, lets get our own house in order, it has been sorely neglected and needs major renewal.

Exactly - consider the firestorm of criticism had he either ignored or made comments against Mandela - the Left and MSM would go nuts. His simple statement took away any ammo, except from our side's "holier than thou" nut cases.

73 posted on 12/08/2013 2:28:56 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: minnesota_bound
Cuba Lybia BIRDS OF A FEATHER....
74 posted on 12/08/2013 4:11:22 PM PST by Dqban22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: BfloGuy
Really?

And how much of the British Commonwealth supports South Africa?

Or is it the EU now?

The USA fought a war against your “British Commonwealth”.
We won freedom from them .

Africa, Asia, India, China and the entire Middle East are still fighting amongst themselves and also against the “British Commonwealth”.

At some point, will you concede that the UK Empire is dead?
Or must all of mankind pretend forever that the UK is a viable construct?

75 posted on 12/08/2013 8:18:22 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: sarasmom
The USA fought a war against your “British Commonwealth”.

We won freedom from them .

And what in the world does that have to do with South Africa? You said that South Africa had thrown off the British Commonwealth; I pointed out that, no, they did not.

At some point, will you concede that the UK Empire is dead?

The British Empire has been dead for almost a century. I don't have to "concede" it. I still have no idea what your point is. Your history is flawed and your evident hatred of the British appears to have overwhelmed your interest in accuracy and history.

76 posted on 12/09/2013 2:15:10 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-76 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson