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Space-Time Loops May Explain Black Holes
SPACE.com ^ | 10 July 2013 Time: 07:00 AM ET | Clara Moskowitz,

Posted on 07/11/2013 8:30:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin

A black hole is created when a huge star runs out of fuel for nuclear fusion and collapses under its own gravity. The star's outer layers are expelled, and its core falls in on itself, with the pull of gravity becoming ever stronger, until what's left is the core's mass condensed into an extremely small area. According to general relativity, this area is a single point of space-time, and the density there is infinitely large — a singularity.

But most scientists think singularities don't really exist, that they're just a sign that equations have broken down and fail to adequately describe reality. Loop quantum gravity appears to be an improvement on general relativity in describing black holes because it doesn't produce a singularity.

The idea is based on the notion of "quantization," which breaks an entity up into discrete pieces.Whilequantum mechanics says atoms exist in quantized, discrete states, loop quantum gravity posits that space-time itself is made of quantized, discrete bits, in the form of tiny, one-dimensional loops.

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KEYWORDS: stringtheory
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1 posted on 07/11/2013 8:30:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

This must be how the philadelphia experiment ended up going 47 years into the future


2 posted on 07/11/2013 8:33:36 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: BenLurkin

Sounds loopy to me.


3 posted on 07/11/2013 8:34:41 AM PDT by pallis
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To: BenLurkin

4 posted on 07/11/2013 8:35:37 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: BenLurkin

"Their wrong."


5 posted on 07/11/2013 8:38:04 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: BenLurkin

I often thought this was the case. I have encountered black holes and dark matter and it’s nothing to fool with!


6 posted on 07/11/2013 8:38:48 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: Abathar

“they’re”

Sheesh I need more coffee...


7 posted on 07/11/2013 8:39:02 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: BenLurkin

bttt


8 posted on 07/11/2013 8:39:16 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: BenLurkin

I hope I’m taller and more handsome on the other side.


9 posted on 07/11/2013 8:40:40 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: BenLurkin

We are all inside a gigantic computer.


10 posted on 07/11/2013 8:42:52 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Abathar
"Their wrong."

So is 'Sheldon'.

11 posted on 07/11/2013 8:47:22 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply.)
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To: 2nd Amendment

No joke. I drove into a black hole once. Bent my rims.


12 posted on 07/11/2013 8:51:31 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: StolarStorm

Maybe we’re in a gigantic computer but I am inclined, based on current happenings, to believe we are in Alice’s Wonderland attending the Mad Hatter’s tea party and no, that is NOT a slam at the Tea Party, it is merely an attempt to explain life in a world where words mean one thing one minute and something else the next and something as absurd as the Red Queen is running the government.


13 posted on 07/11/2013 8:51:43 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: BenLurkin
Theoretically, time travel is possible but in reality, regardless of where you are, it is always now.
14 posted on 07/11/2013 8:52:01 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: BenLurkin

“space-time loop” is just a way of saying “we don’t know.”
Space is not something. Space is the name given to where there isn’t anything. Time is the assigning of numbers to the motion of bodies, and isn’t something that can be combined with space to produce “space-time.”


15 posted on 07/11/2013 8:53:10 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t believe in singularities. It’s just a place holder until they figure out what’s really going on.


16 posted on 07/11/2013 8:53:41 AM PDT by DManA
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To: StolarStorm

Yes. God’s, if you will.


17 posted on 07/11/2013 8:53:51 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Phlap

True. I’m still trying to figure out how to escape the “wherever you go, there you are” problem.


18 posted on 07/11/2013 8:57:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: RipSawyer; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; AZ .44 MAG; ..
something as absurd as the Red Queen is running the government.

Hmmmmm... The "Red Queen" is a good moniker for the current occupier of the White House...

19 posted on 07/11/2013 8:59:00 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Maybe I should rename this file “The Red Queen”

http://www.nachumlist.com/gay.htm


20 posted on 07/11/2013 9:04:32 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s the question that drives us. What is the question?


21 posted on 07/11/2013 9:06:20 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Nachum

If de shoe fit...


22 posted on 07/11/2013 9:06:42 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: BenLurkin

23 posted on 07/11/2013 9:07:53 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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24 posted on 07/11/2013 9:08:45 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: BenLurkin

“But most scientists think singularities don’t really exist, that they’re just a sign that equations have broken down and fail to adequately describe reality.”

But don’t dare suggest they could be wrong about what the weather will be like 50 years from now.


25 posted on 07/11/2013 9:10:51 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: BenLurkin
Space time you say?
26 posted on 07/11/2013 9:13:52 AM PDT by BO Stinkss ( I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees)
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To: BenLurkin

But most scientists think singularities don’t really exist, that they’re just a sign that equations have broken down and fail to adequately describe reality.


I didn’t actually know that this was the case. I thought black holes were thought to be real physical phenomena. It’s not for me to say that they are or they ain’t but I thought the experts thought they were as real as pulsars, quasars, supernovae, etc.


27 posted on 07/11/2013 9:16:26 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: BenLurkin
"...the density there is infinitely large — a singularity."

There is no such thing as an actual infinity in the material universe. It is an abstract concept.

28 posted on 07/11/2013 9:23:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: DManA
singular ... "1. Being the only one of its kind; single, unique 2. exceptional; extraordinary; remarkable

singularity ... 1. the condition of being singular 2. a unique, distinct, or peculiar feature or thing

From that, I'd say that God is a singularity.

29 posted on 07/11/2013 9:27:50 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: TexasCajun

You aren’t. ;-)


30 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: BenLurkin
loop quantum gravity posits that space-time itself is made of quantized, discrete bits, in the form of tiny, one-dimensional loops.

Think that if something is one dimensional, it's a lot tinier than tiny :)

31 posted on 07/11/2013 9:29:14 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Trey Gowdy......Nuff said.)
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To: BenLurkin

They should consult Joe Biden for the truth here - I believe he is a singularity.


32 posted on 07/11/2013 9:33:50 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Let’s just say ULS imports all its basketball players. :)


33 posted on 07/11/2013 9:34:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracker)
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To: OldNavyVet

But He is a bright hole.

Black hole takes everything.
Bright hole gives everything.


34 posted on 07/11/2013 9:37:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: BO Stinkss
"Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore
I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes -
the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache."

35 posted on 07/11/2013 9:37:55 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: null and void

Bwahahahahaaaa!

Good one!

Now if we could invent a time machine based on the topics’ science, we could go back to Nov 2008 and undo the ballot shenanigans.....


36 posted on 07/11/2013 9:42:43 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Phlap
Theoretically, time travel is possible but in reality, regardless of where you are, it is always now.

Indeed. Just like tomorrow never comes.

But bills do! ;-)



37 posted on 07/11/2013 9:48:10 AM PDT by rdb3 (Be aware that when it hits the fan, it won't be evenly spread.)
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To: BenLurkin; SunkenCiv
thanks, for the post.
far out science ping.

38 posted on 07/11/2013 9:48:15 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: WildHighlander57

Are you sure someone didn’t travel back to make the shenanigans happen?


39 posted on 07/11/2013 9:49:09 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: BenLurkin
I've always wondered how you can have a supermassive black hole at the heart of the galaxy that is the mass of 4 billion suns and a stellar mass black hole that is the mass of 10 million suns and yet both have the same "infinite gravity."

I tend to agree with the "we just don't know enough" people and/or our technology isn't precise enough to measure such things accurately.

Godspeed

HoA

40 posted on 07/11/2013 9:54:01 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (A Newly Arrived Convert to the Fair Tax! Abolish the IRS! Abolish the FED!)
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To: BenLurkin

My wife went to the freezer and took out the carton of vanilla ice cream. There was an empty space in the carton. She asked me about it. I explained to her that it was a “White Hole”. The ice cream had collapsed upon itself and formed a singularity. She threw the ice cream scoop at me and told me to warp on over to the grocery store and get some more ice cream. I think she might be Klingon.


41 posted on 07/11/2013 9:58:42 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mad_as_he$$

That was 1992.


42 posted on 07/11/2013 10:05:09 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: dagogo redux

Joe Biden’s AR-15 Gun Advice For Women “get a shotgun” Skewered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW2I5LS08H8&feature=fvwp


43 posted on 07/11/2013 10:12:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: null and void

Agreed....some truths just jump out you


44 posted on 07/11/2013 11:41:16 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Abathar

“Their wrong.”


Their wrong what?


45 posted on 07/11/2013 11:46:53 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: null and void

bookmark


46 posted on 07/11/2013 12:02:29 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Nachum

I like that idea.

It is so apropos that I would never be able to resist making that change.


47 posted on 07/11/2013 12:09:38 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Abathar

We all do that every once in a while.


48 posted on 07/11/2013 1:08:26 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: RipSawyer

My bff used to pontificate (when were teens) that we were in a mental institution and living a common fantasy while staring at a wall. I cant swear she is wrong.


49 posted on 07/11/2013 1:11:44 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: blueunicorn6

Hahahhaaa


50 posted on 07/11/2013 1:12:31 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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