Skip to comments.FReeper comments on Girl Scouts and alternatives?
Posted on 06/17/2013 6:43:32 PM PDT by ctdonath2
My little girl is 5. Perfect time to start Girl Scouts except ... well I suppose y'all will fill me in on that. Thoughts?
Frontier Scouts, American Heritage Scouts . . . just a coupla’ suggestions.
Our girls are a little older but will be joining American Heritage Girls.
your child, your business. But if you put your kid into that cesspool, do NOT bitch at what they do to her.
Just don’t. You know better as a freeper so you will have brought it on your child and on yourself. What is it with Freepers who come online looking to absolve themselves for their willingly liberal actions when they KNOW they are helping perpetuate this insanity?
I thought they were Brownies at that age?
Girl Scouts... no way
She’ll learn all about Planned Parenthood, sexual freedom, Wicca and every other leftist crap at the Girl Scouts.
and they will even learn its okay to spread HIV-AIDS without telling your partner.
Here is a pamphlet left behind after a Girl Scout confab at the UN
Brownies are still part of Girl Scouts and their philosophies, just like Cub Scouts are part of Boy Scouts.
I wouldn’t not these days
How about FFA?
I’m surprised the leaders in scouts for girls are doing this. Page 10 and a few others are pretty strong. I thought the kids were getting all this in first grade.
So he posts a question as to what options he has and then you accuse him of throwing his kid into a cesspool. Nice.
There are a lot of options, and FR is full of opinions on all of them. I’d say the key is for you to be involved - personally. If you are there and deciding what to do, then almost any group will be good for her. If you use this as free babysitting, then almost any group can and will be derailed by someone with an agenda. My daughters were Girl Scouts, and my wife was there for every moment of it - they never crossed the line or even came close. My kids were Boy Scouts, and again, I was there for every meeting and camping trip. Parenting is a 24/7 job, and even the organizations we grew up trusting the most are in Reagan’s “trust but verify” category.
Wharever happened to the Camp Fire Girls?
IIRC the Girl Scouts officially went homosexual quite a while ago.
American Heritage Girls.
My granddaughters are also thriving in AHG.
I also could not tolerate the school programs and would certainly homeschool.
Many churches have similar programs as do music or sports groups that interest the children. I have little knowledge of “Y” programs currently being run by the YWCA or YMCA.
Boy Scouts for my grandson has been good...he is done this year so the recent changes will not affect him...I hope.
Where I have a problem with the GSA is not their politics, because I never bothered to look them up. My daughter. is only 2. I have a problem with cookie sales. I know it sounds dumb, but I assume someone is getting filthy rich on this enterprise on the backs of small girls. Seems like the troop receives a smaller amount of the percentage of their sales. Their headquarters is a very large office building which is contrary to the BSA. I know every club has fund raisers. BSA relies on heavy donations from former scouts.
Is putting your kid into GS or the BSA exposing them to a cespool or isn’t it?
Are you seriously saying that anyone who has spent more than 5 min on FR does not know that the GS and BSA are a planned barrenhood/gay recruiting ground?
Can you in any way shape or form tell me ONE good thing about willingly corrupting your child with that?
Then what exactly is your problem? Are we supposed to soft pedal people and their ‘feelings’ when they ask something like this?
Actually, I’ll take it a ‘reality’ step further. If I come to you and say “I got this group that teaches girls to screw whoever they want, abort the ‘result’, ignore their parents and their faith and recruits other girls to do the same.”
Are you gonna tell me “SURE!?
Well that has what GS has become. So Why would you have an issue with someone who tried stopping more kids being corrupted?
We have a young neighborhood girl who tries to sell cookies at our house every year. Three and two years ago I wrote a small check to her troop. This last year she said they were not allowed to take contributions, only money for cookies and if I didn’t want them for our family, I could designate that they be sent to the military. So said no thanks. I have already told mom at length about why I won’t buy them on numerous occasions.
Because GSA now offers up the military as a solution it would appear that they have run into their problem enough to provide an option but that’s not going to work for us either.
Our Republican Women’s Group has several guys in the military in Afghanistan that we send a package to every month. And it does not include Girl Scout cookies.
They are still around but are now called Camp Fire USA. They went co-ed back in the 1970s. Today they are PC - even have a membership policy that does not discriminate against sexual orientation.
OCT 1991 GS-USA national stated in a letter: ...
As a private organization, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. respects the values and beliefs of each of its members and does not intrude into personal matters. Therefore, there are no membership policies on sexual preference. However, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. has firm standards relating to the appropriate conduct of adult volunteers and staff. The Girl Scout organization does not condone or permit sexual displays of any sort by its members during Girl Scout activities, nor does it permit the advocacy or promotion of a personal lifestyle or sexual preference. These are private matters for girls and their families to address. 2/09/1993 In Lansing, MI, the GS-USA fired heterosexual employee Brenda Mailand after she refused to sign the following pledge: As an employee of the Michigan Capitol Girl Scout Council, you may not proactively inform members, parents of members, prospective members or parents of prospective members, or members of the general public (including media) of the Councils and GSUSAs position on sexual orientation.
10/23/1993 Delegates at the GS-USA national convention in Minneapolis, MN, voted 1,560 to 375 to allow girls to change their pledge of service to the spiritual power of their conscience - or none at all.
1997 - Nancy Manahans book, On My Honor: Lesbians Reflect on Their Scouting Experiences, was published. On My Honor included an essay titled All I Really Need to Know About Being a Lesbian I Learned at Girl Scout Camp. In a 2000 National Review Online editorial (10/23/2000, National Review magazine) titled The Cookie Crumbles, author Kathryn Jean Lopez wrote that the book was filled with coming-of-age stories sparked by gay encounters in the Girl Scouts. Lopez further reported that staffers contributing stories to the book claim that roughly 1 in 3 of the Girls Scouts paid professional staff is lesbian.
In 1926 the Indian Guides program was started in the YMCA. Later, the Y became interdenominational (many would say secular) and more concerned with promoting morality and good citizenship than a distinctive interpretation of Christianity. The Indian Guides program declined until it was dissolved in 2001 and reformed as the YMCA Adventure Guides. Today the YMCA is more focused on inspiring youths and their families to exercise and be healthy.
I do know the Toronto YM(W)CA has co-ed nude swimming. “Roaming Bares”
Keep the kids where you can see them!
My older daughter was a Girl Scout for several years but my younger one never was. The reason: The Scout Leader. My older daughter’s leader started in Brownies with my daughter’s age group (her daughter was this age) and she stayed with her through sixth grade when my daughter chose sports over scouts (scheduling conflict). This GS leader was “old school”. Her husband was military and they had meetings at their horse farm. My daughter loved it.
My younger daughter’s choice for Scout Leaders were TERRIBLE. Mean, opinionated, sarcastic, we looked at four different troops. No way. This has all happened in the last 5 years.
If you can find a leader that has conservative values and ignores or even fights against some of what the national organization is now pushing, it’s still a worthwhile experience IMO.
That’s why I asked for alternatives, and deeper insights into the problem.
Now either contribute or get off my thread (ie. take the insults elsewhere).
The OP clearly was looking for alternatives to GSA, never once saying the 5-year old was going to be enrolled. Yet you tell them that they are sending their kid into a cesspool. I point this out, and somehow I am now advocating sending girls into the GSA.
Yes, the Girl Scouts are run by lesbians who hate American traditions. That's a fact. It's also a fact that you're a nut.
Today, each GS-USA council operates its own cookie sale. Approximately 70% of the proceeds stay in the local GS-USA council to support Girl Scouting in that area, including a portion that goes directly to the unit selling the cookies. The profits are divided by a formula, with local troops receiving about 10-15% of the retail price, the council more than 50%, and the manufacturer the remainder. GS-USA is paid a royalty for use of the licensed trademarks by its licensed bakers based on gross annual sales volume. It also provides contractual services and approves all program, marketing, and sales materials developed by the bakers. GS-USA also provides coordination and training for national media, safety standards for girls and volunteers, and full support during cookie season.
... Their headquarters is a very large office building which is contrary to the BSA. ...
The BSA National HQ in Irving, TX ain't no shrinking violet, either.
... I know every club has fund raisers. BSA relies on heavy donations from former scouts.
True, but BSA has its annual popcorn sale ...
1986 BSA National entered in an agreement with the Weaver Popcorn Company to sell its popcorn products as a fundraiser for scout units. The Weaver Popcorn Company, a family-owned business based in Indianapolis, IN, is the world's largest manufacturer of popcorn and supplies roughly 30% of all of the popcorn consumed in the world. Their popcorn is grown in the U.S. and Argentina and sold in over 90 countries. The Trails End Popcorn brand is manufactured by the Weaver Popcorn Company. It is not sold by any other means and is not available in stores. The unit commissions (the part of the retail cost that a unit gets to keep) varies per product, but is ~ 30%. The local council gets about the same commission for handling and distribution to the units. Trail's End gets the rest as payment for the popcorn. Cub packs proved to be the biggest sellers of the popcorn products.
Tiy titled the thread as follows
“FReeper comments on Girl Scouts and alternatives?”
I gave you that. Don’t complain.
My wife is meeting with the administrator at our Christian School on Thursday to discuss starting an American Heritage Girl chapter in our town. She can’t wait - what a GREAT organization!
Co-ed?! Just wow. I strayed north of the Mason-Dixon to Pittsburgh on business in 1981. Went to the local YMCA for a dip in the pool that had posted pool hours for male nude swimming. That was a bit of a culture shock back then.
On 10/01/1998, the book, Take the Young Stranger by the Hand: Same-Sex Relations and the YMCA, was published. Founded in the mid-19th century, the YMCA fostered close, spiritually sustaining relationships between young men. By the century's end the "Y," as it became known, had implemented a wide-scale program of physical exercise and sex education, in part to combat the increasingly visible specter of physical intimacy between men. But this emphasis on the perfected male body only increased the institution's reputation as a haven for homosexuality. Drawing upon diverse sources, including YMCA records, social histories, urban and economic studies, "physical culture" physique magazines, and gay memoirs, author Gustav-Wrathall explicated not only the hidden sexual subtexts of the Y's social history but examines how changing attitudes about sexuality, male friendship, gender, marriage, and privacy all contributed to shaping the nature and both the overt and covert purpose of the organization.
I loved being in the Girl Scouts . That said I did not let my daughter participate . To much changed between the time I was in and the time she would have been in . I did not want her exposed to the mess that infiltrated scouting in my area .
My daughter is 6.
American Heritage Girls or if you are Catholic there’s Little Flowers.
I wouldn’t touch GS with a ten foot pole. Some FReepers claim the local troops aren’t tainted by the radicals at the national level. To me, they’re one in the same. Selling cookies enriches those fruits at the national level & joining any troop gives them #s & therefore street cred.
Try 4H instead. It’s project based and the kids get do some really cool things. It’s not just for farm kids, btw.
What is the name of the Father-daughter program? I have known men to enjoy that with daughters.
You gave me insults. I assumed there wasn’t a need to prohibit them in a one-line post.
you want conformation on a conservative website that it is OK to put your child into the hands of a gay/anti christian/anti morality group and you are offended someone pointed that out?
OK. I think it’s a good idea and I apologize for myself and everyone who isn’t into sacrificing children on the alter of groupthink.
american heritage girls.
I have no experience with the youth programs in the YMCA, however, a quick search with dogpile.com (I refuse to use Google or Bing) yielded this ...
The Y-Adventure Princesses is for Fathers and Daughters ages 5-12. We offer fathers the chance to bond with their daughters on many levels to build a loving and trusting relationship that will last a lifetime. The Y-Adventure Princess program is a unique learning experience for both father and daughter.
Sounds like a good program to investigate. But I am seeing more and more of an international flavor to all youth organizations, i.e., a de-emphasis of American nationalism and patriotism. I have a distant cousin involved with 4-H. As someone earlier on this thread mentioned, that would be worth investigating.
Stay away from the Y(W)MCA, they are no more representing family values than the modern Girl Scouts
What's the bible passage about not recognizing/acknowledging Christ in public? Sad, and scary times ...
Way to miss the point. I didn’t ask for confirmation that it’s ok, I asked for alternatives and a better understanding of why it ISN’T ok.
“I asked for alternatives and a better understanding of why it ISNT ok.”
You have been here since 2000 according to your profile. If you don’t know (and considering all the recent discussion over scouting as a whole), well, I don’t know how you can be so uninformed as to why it’s not ok already. And in great detail.
If you find that offensive, well, whatever. But it is beyond belief that you are blind to what they are about. If you truly are, well, my post, caustic or not pointed out why.
I don’t care what you or anyone thinks about me personally. All I care about is stopping another child from getting fed to liberalism by someone on the right, knowingly or otherwise. As a right wing parent, I would hope you cared more than I did considering the child is your own.
Thanks. That seems the new information and fits with history I could get too.
I asked family and they said it was Indian based until recent years. Now they still use those terms to designate teams within the “troops”. Guess the open American Indian emphasis was “offensive to some”. PC you know! They still have “breaking their arrow” ceremonies when they outgrow the program and leave. Still have father daughter dinner dances and camp-outs as well as some monthly programs.
The CCC chapter at the university I work at changed their name to Agape a few years ago.
I’m a-ok with that change.
a·ga·pe 2 (ä-gäp, äg-p)
1. Christianity Love as revealed in Jesus, seen as spiritual and selfless and a model for humanity.
2. Love that is spiritual, not sexual, in its nature.
3. Christianity In the early Christian Church, the love feast accompanied by Eucharistic celebration.
[Greek agap, love.]
As a former CubScout Den Leader for my son; to be fair I decided to lead a Daisy/Brownie Troop for my daughter. DO NOT put your daughter into Girl Scouting. Even back in the 1990’s they were teaching the wrong things. Liberal progressive etc! Also they are very controlling.
Here’s an example, they have a rule that a “first aid trained person” must go on all field trips. Not a bad rule until you learn the details: we had a Emergency Room Nurse Practioner who was, according to Girl Scouts, NOT qualified because she didn’t take the GSA training. But a mom who was an accountant who took a three hour class was. Really? Really?
My daughter who was exposed to Cub Scouts (she came to the den meetings with me) quit after two years (she didn’t like the program at all). My son is an Eagle Scout.
Boy Scouting and Girl Scouting ARE NOT THE SAME THINGS AT ALL! /imho
No quarrel with the use of that word. I'm 58. I remember C3 from the early 1970s and all those signs proclaiming "Josh Is Coming." Even read his book, Evidence That Demands a Verdict. Someone always seems to have their finger in the wind checking for marketing currents.
Yes, I am aware that Muslims are espcially sensitive over the word "crusade." I had my run-ins with Muslims on campus during the 1979 Iranian Embassy Hostage Crisis. Now that I am an old curmudgeon, my sensitivity towards Muslims is exhausted. As the saying goes ... "All I need to know about Islam, I learned on 9-11."
You obviously know a lot more about the subject than I do. I really do not mean any offense. Like another Freeper has mentioned, I would just rather give them a finacial donation, assuming that 100% of the money will go to the girl’s troop.