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Deadly mushroom chemistry
Chemistry World ^ | 13 March 2013 | Emma Shiells

Posted on 03/17/2013 7:22:25 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Hot Tabasco

It can be a decent area, but so much depends on the weather, which can be screwy! Last spring was terrible . Last winter, the fallen leaves didn’t get enough moisture to compress. So in the Spring, there was a very think fallen leaf bed. Nothing poked through! Couldn’t find ‘em!


41 posted on 03/18/2013 9:43:00 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

The thing is a fungus, it’s decaying plant matter. Why eat a food that is in effect a natural poison?


42 posted on 03/18/2013 12:14:00 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: elcid1970

“Hills Angles’’ GRRROWL!! The BBC did a number on the guy. Political correctness run amok basically just tossed him off the air. Broke his heart.


43 posted on 03/18/2013 12:15:46 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: varyouga
Wow. Are you sure you don’t mean 1 ounce (28 grams)?

I don't know how much chance you want to take with something that irreversibly destroys the liver and kidneys.

44 posted on 03/18/2013 1:56:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

All boletes stain blue if you bruise them. I have never heard of any poisonous boletes either.


45 posted on 03/18/2013 1:58:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: jmacusa
The thing is a fungus, it’s decaying plant matter. Why eat a food that is in effect a natural poison?

Morels are not a poisonous mushroom........Sorry I didn't clarify that.

46 posted on 03/18/2013 2:10:54 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: TigersEye
I have never heard of any poisonous boletes either.

Boletus Satanas (AKA - "The Devil's Bolete") is one of the most common poisonous mushrooms in my part of Europe.


47 posted on 03/18/2013 4:56:52 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Morels are not a poisonous mushroom........Sorry I didn't clarify that.

Morels contain small amounts of hydrazine toxins that are removed by thorough cooking; morel mushrooms should never be eaten raw.

It has been reported that even cooked morels can sometimes cause mild intoxication symptoms when consumed with alcohol.

When eating this mushroom for the first time it is wise to consume a small amount to minimize any allergic reaction. Morels for consumption must be clean and free of decay.

Morels growing in old apple orchards that had been treated with the insecticide lead arsenate may accumulate levels of toxic lead and arsenic that are unhealthy for human consumption.

48 posted on 03/18/2013 5:01:42 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: TigersEye
I have never heard of any poisonous boletes either.

Boletus Satanas (AKA - "The Devil's Bolete") don't always look so scary, they can even look very much like the much sought after Cep.

Read about it on wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas

49 posted on 03/18/2013 5:05:03 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots
Thanks, I had never heard of that one. Possibly because the Rocky Mountains are a fair distance from Europe. I did find that the Red-mouth Bolete of North America (the only ones I'm worried about) is listed as poisonous. There are a couple of others listed as unpalatable. The ones I know from this area are 'choice.'

Red-mouth Bolete (Boletus subvelutipes)

Looks like there isn't much danger of The Devil's Bolete being eaten.

50 posted on 03/18/2013 5:23:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: jmacusa

Yeast in considered a fungus.

And you brush your teeth with algae and consume the same every time you eat jello.


51 posted on 03/18/2013 5:36:25 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: TigersEye
Surprisingly the devil's bolete does get eaten.
One of the ways to find out if it is "szatan" as it is called here is to touch it to your tongue... the bottom of the cap is bitter. Some people bite a bit and spit it out.

I hear that it is eaten in parts of Italy and the Czech Republic - but never fried as that does not kill the toxins.

I remembered reading about a mycologist living in rural France seeing people eat all kinds of poisonous mushrooms and he was stunned. It turned out that the local practice involved boiling all mushrooms twice and twice draining off teh water prior to cooking.

I also just found out my girlfriend has a mushroom allergy - she was never able to put a finger on her occasional stomach aches until one day when she had shitake mushrooms and had a bad reaction - we then realized what it was.

Shitake mushrooms can give some people a severe reaction akin to food poisoning.

Read up on the French doctor I mentioned above. I read the story in another language and it was fascinating - he ate the deadliest mushrooms THREE TIMES to demonstrate his cure and cured himself.

52 posted on 03/18/2013 5:37:14 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: TigersEye
Found this:

As soon as the poisoning effects are noticed 1200mg of Nifuroksazyd and 1500mg of Dihydrostreptomycin should be administered orally
and daily application of 3 grams of vitamin C intravenously.
If the vomiting is frequent and not weakening during the therapy then Metoclopramid should be administered intravenously.

All drugs have to be administered during the 3 day period in the same quantities and during that period only carrot soup should be eaten.

This method was first published in 1970. and didn't get a green light.

On 1971. Dr. Bastien ate a 10 gram mushroom and administered only half of the aforementioned dose without the C vitamin. He got hepatitis.
He cured 82 people with the full dosage from 1971 to 1974.

In 1974 he repeated the experiment on himself, but this time with 60 grams of fresh mushrooms and a full dosage of the aforementioned drugs and only sympthoms he
had was diarrhea wihout vomiting or hepatitis.

With that experiment he drew some interest on his method and since then many people in France were successfully cured.

He ate mushrooms again in 1981 without consequences.

Many people were cured with this method since then.

I thought that it would be good to have such information on the boards.
Not that anyone would need it, but just in case ;)


Also... check out this link:
OLD ARTICLE IN ENGLISH ABOUT THE BASTIEN TREATMENT

53 posted on 03/18/2013 5:44:13 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: chris37
Stay away from the one with white ring on the stem :O

I eat the Parasol Mushroom.


54 posted on 03/18/2013 5:49:56 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots
It turned out that the local practice involved boiling all mushrooms twice and twice draining off teh water prior to cooking.

Yuck! I can't imagine a mushroom being worth eating after turning it to mush. Unless you're making soup with it. I love King Boletes, Aspen Scabers and Puffball mushrooms and almost always saute them in butter with a little black pepper and salt.

...- he ate the deadliest mushrooms THREE TIMES to demonstrate his cure and cured himself.

Considering the danger that just sounds nutty to me. I'm not sure his treatment is considered the state of the art either. France has pioneered the use of Milk Thistle extracts combined with antibiotics and dialysis for the treatment of Death Cap and Destroying Angel poisoning. Milk Thistle has amazing properties of liver protection and toxin removal from liver hepatocytes.

The Death Cap Amanita phalloides

Info on toxicity and treatment down the page.

55 posted on 03/18/2013 5:50:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
One thing about mushroom hunting that always bothered me is the fact that some of the most frequent victims of accidental mushroom poisoning have been mycologists!

I stick to the ones I know, but there is one risky one that I MUST eat each September.

It is far too good to pass up.

The Saffron Milk Cap.
I cannot resist them.


56 posted on 03/18/2013 6:00:45 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots
I definitely stick to the ones I know too. Not familiar with that one although I see it is listed as occurring in N. America. I know there are a couple of other edible shrooms in my region but I haven't tried them. I am certain I had several Horse Mushrooms right here in my yard last summer but I wouldn't do it. Just couldn't.

I have Destroying Angels in my yard almost every year. I also had three excellent specimens of Aspen Scabers in the yard last summer. First time ever. Also some recurring Puffball Mushrooms.

57 posted on 03/18/2013 6:11:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Rebelbase

Yeah but can you die of eating yeast?


58 posted on 03/18/2013 8:34:43 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: TigersEye
When I remodeled my yard a few years back, i bought a dumptruck load of soil from a farmer.

Where ever that soil is I get a nice crop of Suillus bovinus. Easy to recognize and edible, I don't eat them as the best ones grow next to the road and who knows what's under my yard! WWII was fought in this neighborhood.

I have puffballs every year in the same place. Once found a giant edible bolete in the backyard and I get a ton of crap mushrooms.

About two or three years ago I injected spores in my yard to see what would happen, but thus far there seem to be no results.

59 posted on 03/19/2013 3:48:30 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots
That's funny, I had an old puffball that had gone completely to spores in a paper bag in my shed. It had been there for years and it was as big as a soccer ball. There must be literally trillions of spores in a puffball that big.

Puffball spores are supposed to be a blood coagulant so I was saving it. Last year I decided to 'seed' my yard with it and spread those spores and the broken pieces of the shell all around. We'll see if they take this year.

60 posted on 03/19/2013 12:13:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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