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Elderly Woman Dies in Retirement Home After Nurse Refuses CPR
LN ^ | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 03/04/2013 2:24:33 PM PST by Morgana

An elderly woman living at a retirement home in Bakersfield, California died after a nurse at the facility refused to administer CPR to save her. A new video has been released with portions of the 911 call during which dispatchers plead with the nurse to save the woman’s life.

During the call, the nurse said it was against the facility’s policy.

“Is there anybody there that’s willing to help this lady and not let her die?” the dispatcher asked.

“Not at this time,” the nurse said.

The incident happened on Tuesday when 87-year-old Lorraine Bayless collapsed at Glenwood Gardens. The dispatcher can be heard begging the nurse to perform CPR, sounding desperate as the moments wore on.

“Anybody there can do CPR. Give them the phone please. I understand if your facility is not willing to do that. Give the phone to that passerby,” the dispatcher said. “This woman is not breathing enough. She is going to die if we don’t get this started.”

Several minutes later, an ambulance arrived and took Bayless to Mercy Southwest Hospital, where she later died.

Glenwood Gardens has released a statement conforming its policy prohibiting employees from performing CPR.

“In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community, our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. That is the protocol we followed,” the facility said.

See the video here.

California-based bioethics attorney Wesley Smith, who is pro-life, commented on the case.

This seems like a real scandal, but it needs a little unpacking. Sounds utterly damning. But a word of caution: The woman might have signed a Do Not Resuscitate order. If so, the proper course is to comfort the patient but not try to revive–and, by the way, not call 911. But that does not seem to be the case here:

Jeffrey Toomer, executive director of Glenwood Gardens, issued a statement on behalf of the facility, extending his sympathies to the Bayless family. But Toomer also defended the nurse, saying she followed policy. “In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives,” he said. “That is the protocol we followed. As with any incident involving a resident, we will conduct a thorough internal review of this matter, but we have no further comments at this time.”

Perhaps the facility feared a lawsuit if CPR was done inexpertly. But a “blanket” do not resuscitate policy regardless of the circumstances or patient? Big trouble on the way. I think it would be worth knowing if this kind of policy is ubiquitous within the industry.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: cpr; deathpanel; dnr; duplicate; home; nurse; oldnews; prolife; refusedcpr; retirement; retirementhome

1 posted on 03/04/2013 2:24:41 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

This may be SOP in many homes. My aunt was found in her bed non responsive in Dec ‘11. The home called 911 and the EMTs pronounced her. No efforts were made by the floor nurse and my aunt did not have a DNR. I did some research and found this to be the protocols more often than not. In looking for a placement for my uncle I queried staff and was told they did not respond other than calling 911.


2 posted on 03/04/2013 2:33:42 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Morgana

Is this the new “Death Panel”?


3 posted on 03/04/2013 2:35:51 PM PST by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: HOYA97
Is this the new “Death Panel”?

Looks to me like they're trying to avoid any liability from the CPR. "If you've been injured by a medical provider, call 1-800-BIG-TORT"

4 posted on 03/04/2013 2:38:41 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

If it is legal it is totally immoral IMO


5 posted on 03/04/2013 2:40:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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"During the call, the nurse demon said it was against the facility's policy."

6 posted on 03/04/2013 2:40:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Morgana

they;re not proper nurses per se and they;re only called that due to the elderly home making it look as such and making more money out of the elderly folks who for the most part are dumped off there.

Speaks volumes how they watched a woman die and then the daughter said she has no problem what these so called nurses did.

As for lawsuits then the home said that they have 24 hour medical services etc


7 posted on 03/04/2013 2:44:11 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Morgana
I am sick of hearing about this already. She was 87 for Pete’s sake. If you do cpr on someone that age I would think you would run a risk of breaking some ribs and then what? I heard her daughter didn't have a problem with them not doing anything so sounds like they had a dnr and does anyone know what health issues this woman had before we have to listen to endless discussions all over the news about this. Sheesh. My mother is 82 and in excellent health for her age but she declares she'll ‘whip my butt’ if she falls out and I put her through all kinds of medical stuff to ‘save her’.
8 posted on 03/04/2013 2:44:27 PM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: Gene Eric

then she knows nothing as the home also advertises that the home has 24 hour medical and how the elderly will be in good safe care.

Seems that they saw an old woman and thought the hell wiht that


9 posted on 03/04/2013 2:46:10 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Morgana
“This woman is not breathing enough.

How does this 911 operator know that she is not breathing enough??? Is she there??? She has a nurse on the other end of the phone. If she is breathing then she is breathing and that is enough until the oxygen arrives.

This 911 operator's insistence on CPR for a woman who was still breathing is a bit much. If she is breathing on her own you don't want to crack her ribs with CPR and complicate any recovery.

10 posted on 03/04/2013 2:49:38 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Morgana

My late father had DNR on his medical records, but he refused to wear a bracelet stating as much.

I’ll make a guess here, that the company which owns this facility has been sued in the past over a similiar issue. The issue could be due to non-medical personnel performing procedures better left to experts, and the company was sued and found culpable.

My father’s AL residence, which cost nearly $5000.00 per month for a meals, care, cable service and single room plus bathroom, had a nurse on duty 24/7.


11 posted on 03/04/2013 2:52:28 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“This 911 operator’s insistence on CPR for a woman who was still breathing is a bit much. If she is breathing on her own you don’t want to crack her ribs with CPR and complicate any recovery. “

I have read that in order to do CPR properly, expect to either crack or break the person’s ribs during it.


12 posted on 03/04/2013 2:55:24 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Morgana

She later died at the hospital. Was she in cardiac arrest? If she was having trouble breathing, how about just administering oxygen instead of CPR?


13 posted on 03/04/2013 2:58:40 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2

Yep — and if you don’t crack the ribs then you are not going down far enough to accomplish anything.


14 posted on 03/04/2013 3:04:04 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MagnoliaB

It seems there are some people that do not believe you or an 87 year old lady has the right to sign a DNR and that a $12.00 an hour low level government clerk functioning as a 911 operator should have the final say in the medical treatment you receive even if it is against your wishes.


15 posted on 03/04/2013 3:09:02 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: Morgana
My wife works in the medical field and when I, incredulous, asked her about this event and why the nurse did not act, she had a one word answer: Liablity.

Attack the nurse all you wish but the "Call 911 only" policy is due to the trial lawyers. If she had done any damage, and broken ribs have now been mentioned several times, she and the facility she works for would probably been sued by some bottom feeding lawyer.

So the facility has instituted the ""Call 911 only" policy and she, as an employee, is obligated to adhere to it.

16 posted on 03/04/2013 3:11:49 PM PST by Robwin
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To: MagnoliaB

Well stated.


17 posted on 03/04/2013 3:12:04 PM PST by Hulka
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To: MagnoliaB

You are absolutely right. These CPR advocates are like religious zealots who think that CPR is the answer to everything.

The woman was still breathing on her own. That was enough to just leave her alone and wait for the EMTs and the oxygen.

I notice that she didn’t die at the nursing home, or even in the ambulance, but at the hospital.

I would be interested to know if the EMTs started CPR when they got there and continued it all the way to the hospital, or if they even did it at all but just gave her oxygen.


18 posted on 03/04/2013 3:27:12 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Morgana

This was the lead story on the NBC Nightly News tonight. Surprised me but it had more details than I’ve read online to this point. The woman’s daughter said she agreed with the policy and what was done by the facility. NBC brought in Nancy Snyderman, MD, for commentary on proper placement of seniors in facilities and that zealous CPR is not necessarily the correct choice for a patient in respiratory distress.


19 posted on 03/04/2013 3:37:13 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Robwin
If she had done any damage, and broken ribs have now been mentioned several times, she and the facility she works for would probably been sued by some bottom feeding lawyer.

The problem is that if you do CPR right you will break the patient's ribs on the first couple of thrusts, and if you don't hear the ribs crack then you are not going down far enough to do any good and you are wasting your time.

20 posted on 03/04/2013 3:37:14 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Robwin

California does have a Good Samaritan Law, however as long as the nurse or doctors are on the clock they are libel and not protected. However, a lay person walking by the incident could have preform CPR and not be held liable. The nurse refused letting anyone try to save the women.

They are going to be sued anyways and will likely lose. The police are looking to see if any laws were broken for refusing to allow anyone to help. It is an insane world where those who are trained have to watch the untrained preform the work to avoid being sued.


21 posted on 03/04/2013 3:48:51 PM PST by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: MagnoliaB

When my father was 86 his doctor warned me not to call 911. He said the paramedics would break his ribs and he would die in pain.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 3:51:57 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: forgotten man

I saw an elderly man collapse in my local hardware store. I went up to him and he had no pulse and wasn’t breathing. I opened his jacket to start CPR and noticed a large bandage under his shirt. His wife told me he had just gotten home the day before after open heart surgery. I said what the hell and started CPR anyway. The ambulance arrived about 15 minutes later and the volunteer driver said his assistant wasn’t even with the rescue squad and asked if I could continue CPR to the hospital. I said what the hell again and went along for the 10 minute ride. After we got to the hospital the ER doctor asked “who did the CPR on this guy?” I thought he was going to tell me I broke his ribs and killed him but he just said “good job, you saved this man’s life”. He was out of the hospital a week later and a friend saw him shoveling his walk about 3 months later. The real funny part: I had a brand new youth program employee with me, I had left her in the truck and when she saw the ambulance arrive she went in and said later “ I came in the hardware and saw you bending over kissing this old man”. Another thing: my arms and shoulders were sore as hell for aobut three days.


23 posted on 03/04/2013 4:14:48 PM PST by conservaterian (NOW cTime for a CONSERVATIVE party, but no, if we do that than we have a conservative candidate?????)
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To: Morgana
My husband has:

—Delivered two babies in the parking lot of a hospital because god forbid the doctors take a step out

—Sat on top of a woman doing CPR as they transported her from a nursing home to the CONNECTING hospital via tunnel because god forbid the nursing home or hospital do anything but call 911. The woman was at an awards ceremony 6 months later for fire/police because she insisted my husband get recognized for saving her life.

—Husband has had to push an ER doctor out of the way to intubate a patient himself before the Dr let the guy suffocate. I could go on... These things happen everyday. Husband is a FF in NY state.

24 posted on 03/04/2013 4:15:04 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Gene Eric
You would have prevented her from requesting DNR when she was admitted?
25 posted on 03/04/2013 4:28:51 PM PST by Domangart
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To: manc
What is it about DNR you don't understand. Do you enjoy breaking old people ribs when they have personally requested DNR.
26 posted on 03/04/2013 4:33:07 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Morgana

And what if it were a visitor having a heart attack? Would they perform CPR then? And what if they mistook a visitor for a Resident and did nothing?


27 posted on 03/04/2013 4:34:24 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: MacMattico
Oh,and the time there was a person with a head injury at the ER who the doctors just wanted to shove into a room. My husband almost got kicked out of the hospital for insisting the person immediately receive a CAT scan. They basically did the CAT scan to shut him up, the guy had an aneurysm and would have died with out immediate surgery. His injury was like the one Natasha Richardson died of, thinking she only had a bad headache.
28 posted on 03/04/2013 4:37:53 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Uncle Chip

Where I live, you have to be pronounced dead by a doctor, so you wouldn’t know if she had stopped breathing or died in the ambulance as there is no doctor to pronounce. Also, many times CPR is started because when some ones heart stops, a separate person screaming they have a DNR is no proof of a DNR. Paramedics are not there to search for paperwork when minutes count.


29 posted on 03/04/2013 4:47:58 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Domangart; manc

>> You would have prevented her from requesting DNR when she was admitted?

>> What is it about DNR you don’t understand. Do you enjoy breaking old people ribs when they have personally requested DNR.

Your punctuation doesn’t help your baseless remarks.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 5:33:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

I’m sure Eric that if this happened to their family member then their views would be different.

The home promotes health and care 24 hours , something which seems to be ignored off some .


31 posted on 03/04/2013 5:42:49 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: nascarnation

If medical facilities and medical personel were legally protected from malpractice law suits, they will quickly kill for profit. They have been culturally cleansed of Western ethics a long time ago.

The only thing that holds them back from killing patients with incompetence and cost saving malpractice, is the power of the patient and family to get even in court. Don’t ever lose that power.


32 posted on 03/04/2013 5:46:53 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Uncle Chip

>> These CPR advocates are like religious zealots who think that CPR is the answer to everything.

I never met a religious zealot that thought CPR was the answer to everything.

The dispatcher obviously wanted CPR. Who are the other zealot-minded advocates you’re referring to?


33 posted on 03/04/2013 5:49:27 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: SaraJohnson

I know many physicians, nurses, and, unfortunately tort lawyers.

There is no comparison between the ethics of these groups.


34 posted on 03/04/2013 5:52:30 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

I work with the medical profession and I know their ethics are caculated on a profit level.

Like all professions, there are some really ethical and good men and women in medical profession. But business is business and if you remove a cost for malpractice, you will see more of it. They are not a priesthood of self denial for the sake of humanity. They operate to make money.


35 posted on 03/04/2013 6:24:03 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Gene Eric
I never met a religious zealot that thought CPR was the answer to everything.

But you have met religious zealots, right???

The dispatcher obviously wanted CPR.

And just who made her the boss??? Her job was to get the EMTs there as quickly as possible and pay attention to the person on the other end of the phone when they tell you that the patient is breathing on their own instead of dismissing her and demanding that she begin CPR even though CPR is contraindicated if a person is breathing on their own.

Who are the other zealot-minded advocates you’re referring to?

People like her --

36 posted on 03/04/2013 7:46:00 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: headstamp 2

That’s why they use dummies for cpr training classes.

If you were required to have your partner break your ribs and
possibly puncture your lungs and damage your kidney, there
probably wouldn’t be too many people signing up for cpr training classes.


37 posted on 03/05/2013 8:05:05 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Domangart

And where did you get the view there was a DNR. It has now come out that there was no DNR, that the policy from the home was not carried out and that she was given CPR in the ambulance thus this woman and her fake nurses watched a woman die with no interest in helping her.


38 posted on 03/06/2013 7:17:23 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc
This was an independent care facility nine blocks from the hospital. No medical personnel were there nor was the facility licensed to care for sick people. The DNR request came from her. There must have been 50 articles that were rewritten on this. NBC was in error when it said that there was no DNR,
39 posted on 03/06/2013 12:01:08 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Domangart

NBC, there has been all outlets reporting that there was no DNR, and if there had of been then the emergency services woul dnot have tried to save her.

There was no DNR and these fakes who call themselves nurses watched a woman die whilst in their car plus even the home has mentioned that the fake nurses were in error and that the woman is now on leave


40 posted on 03/06/2013 3:23:52 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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