Posted on 11/07/2012 8:14:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind
I just did a quick lookup of the Obama vs McCain popular vote as compared to the Obama vs Romney Popular vote and here is what I see:
Election 2008
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008
2008: Obama: 69,456,897 McCain: 59,934,814
TOTAL VOTES CAST: 129,391,711
Obama Victory Margin: 52.9% to 45.7% (9,522,083 votes)
Obama: 365 EV McCain: 173 EV
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Election 2012
Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-election-results
2012: Obama: 60,652,149 Romney: 57,810,390
TOTAL VOTES CAST: 118,462,539 (2,841,759 votes)
Obama Victory Margin: 51.2% to 48.8%
Assuming Obama takes Florida (which as of this writing is still uncalled)...
Obama: 332 EV Romney: 206 EV
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What I find interesting are the following:
1) There were more people who voted in 2008 compared to 2012.
2) McCain got MORE votes in 2008 than Romney in 2012. In fact, McCain got 2,124,424 MORE VOTES than Romney !!
QUESTION : WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE 2,124,424 McCAIN VOTES IN 2012?
3) Obama LOST OVER 8,804,748 Votes in 2012 compared to 2008!!
QUESTION: What happened to those 8,804,748 voters? Did they stay home?
I can only conclude the following, based on the above observations:
* There was LESS ENTHUSIASM by Americans to vote in 2012 than in 2008.
* Contrary to what we were led to believe by the GOP and what some FReepers claim they saw on the ground in their state, REPUBLICANS WERE NOT ENTHUSIASTIC TO VOTE THIS YEAR. In fact, I can see at least 2 Million of them staying home this year compared to 2008 based on the above numbers.
So much for the huge Get Out the Vote Effort, the huge, sellout crowds in Red Rocks Colorado and in Ohio...
* Even though Obama lost over 8 Million votes this year, most of those voters DID NOT switch to Romney, preferring to stay home ( I suspect many of these would be the disappointed youth of 2008 and the socially conservative blacks of 2008. The former still can't find good jobs and the latter couldn't vote for a gay marriage supporting candidate. However, they still could not vote for Romney. So, they stayed home ).
Also, I cannot help but conclude that a huge proportion of the GOP base STAYED HOME in 2012. Otherwise, where were the over 2 million votes that went to McCain in 2008?
This was a self-inflicted loss on the part of the Republicans.
There are over 160,000 precincts in the US....each with over 1000 voters. (Ours has around 2000). 10 extra (or withdrawn) in every precinct equals 1.6 MILLION votes...FRAUD could be EASY.
exactly - i noticed that too - we need to wait and see what the final vote totals are and then dig deep.
That’s my problem with the whole thing. We heard on the radio Idaho turnout were record numbers, like 80%. I kept hearing that all day, record turnouts everywhere. What the heck?
BS - turnout everywhere was much higher than reported.
Anyone think that early voting and absentee ballots may have stuffed the ballot boxes for Dems and lost the Repub ballots? Or maybe Repub votes fraudently counted as Dem?
Nah, couldn’t possibly happen, could it?
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Or it was voting machines changing Romney votes to Obama or being rigged to count a certain way? We saw it happening in swing states.
Also, the dems enthusiam for voter fraud was not as large this time as it was last time. You had plenty of voter fraud, but not like last time.
Why was my son in Belguim voting via the internet and the troops are not allowed to vote by internet? Some of the missing votes could be the troops who were systematically ommitted from what I read.
Romney was not all that inspiring. To us, because we read, he was a hope for better than Obama in foreign policy and the economy. But to low information voters, he did not stand out, except for being a rich globalist guy would would ban Big Bird and who mentioned nothing appealing about ideology of American freedom.
There is so much he could have done against Obama in addition to the usual rino economic and spending drab. Hello! Mindless sexual molestation at the airports is not popular with women.
Just saying McCain got more than Romney doesn’t mean anyone stayed home. We just have fewer conservative voters. 2.5 million have died each year since 2004, and well over half of those were age 75 and above (3/4ths were age 65 and above). These were depression era people that tended to vote and tended to vote conservatively. We’re talking about 18 million people. Figure a voting rate of 60% (10.8 million) and an R/D ratio of 54/46, and you have 5-6 million (4 million minimum) that probably voted for Bush in 2004 that didn’t vote for Romney. The younger voters replacing the older ones are voting in large part for D’s.
There’s no way conservatives stayed home in droves. I’m beginning to doubt that many stayed home in 2008. We have a different electorate and we’ve largely lost the ability to do anything about it. Immigration reform and voter id laws during the 2004-8 years would have helped tremendously, but that’s pretty much dead now.
Ping for final outcome.
There was not enough fraud to matter in this election. Freeper Jackmercer used science & data for several weeks leading up to this election right here on FR & NAILED the numbers & how the election would turn out. Look it up.
Here’s a video of a voting machine expert giving court testimony explaining in detail how large numbers of votes can be easily changed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=IFY1iwE2qzI&feature=youtu.be&nomobile=1
Romney/Ryan won 48% of the Catholic vote, and 79% of the Evangelical vote, get the cobwebs out of your head.
Better yet, make your statement, except get the denominations correct.
LOL, I really want to learn how a voting block that voted by an astounding 79% for the GOP ticket, is the butt of so many attacks, insults, and blame accusations from the romneybots today.
Liberal Republicans should be falling to their knees in praise of the Evangelical vote, instead they attack Evangelicals constantly.
Understood, but even in those blue states there would be Romney voters that would have added to his totals if not for Sandy. I guess that was my point ultimately, not so much that he would win, but that his totals would be higher.
If Mitt's Mormonism kept people from voting, isn't it true that he carried the Bible belt states?
Much like the pre election polling analysis, the post-election analysis by FReepers is about 5-10% out of touch with reality.
1. There are a significant number of evangelicals who will never under any circumstances vote for a Mormon. We saw them her on FR until they suddenly disappeared. They won't admit this to pollsters. This was a big problem in Southern swing states and Ohio.
2. We still have a lot of the "teach 'em a lesson" crowd from 2006. They think that deliberately losing elections somehow makes things better for us. They think that refusing to vote for any candidate who doesn't fit their views like a glove somehow increases the chances they get their way. They might want to re-think that now that they have given us four more years of Obama and have made Obamacare unrepealable.
Look, Romney wasn't any of our candidates. But does anyone here really think Obama will be better? Romney survived as the candidate out of a very weak bench. From what I see we will have a much stronger bench in 2016. Problem is, immeasurable damage will have been done to the country by then.
Evangelicals voted 79% for Mormon Romney.
Catholics gave him 48%.
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