Yep. BTW, this is Warsaw 1945.
Posted on 08/29/2012 2:04:06 PM PDT by servo1969
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Then imagine it happening again tomorrow.
Look, my dad FLEW B-17’s on those raids.
Don’t forget those Nazi bastards A.) shot back, and B.) started the whole bombing thing at Warsaw, Rotterdam, and London. They sowed the wind and harvested the whirlwind.
The Krauts had it coming. Consider it karma.
Or as Curtis LeMay once observed...”they forgot to put a roof on fortress Europe.
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Nobody said they didn’t deserve it.
Yep. BTW, this is Warsaw 1945.
The Germans probably figured the bombings were just savages trying to destroy their utopia, but I say the WW2 bombings and this delayed one were Karma Police. As you sow so shall you reap.
Last thing anyone should ever feel sorry for would be Germans and Japanese, who wholeheartedly supported their regimes even if they didn’t know all the specifics.
I was at the site of this explosion in 1968.
And if you didn't wholeheartedly support the regime, the Gestapo in Germany or the Tokubetsu Kōtō Keisatsu in Japan would be knocking on your door at midnight.
Just damn! 65+ years old? What the heck were they like fresh?
My neighbor flew B-17s and used to brag, “I bombed the Hell out of Vienna and northern Italy”.
BFL
bomb for later
"...the first four hours, we passed over a destroyed land. Utterly destroyed. You who have not seen it do not know what hell looks like from the top. That's what Germany looks like. That's what Austria looks like. That's what any place that the 8th Air Force and the Third Army worked on looks like..."
still working after all these years...BOOM! ping
Ok but was Dresden neccesary? Just a question. The Germans were licked and there were only refugees in Dresden. Did we really have to firebomb the city? Flame away!
It was justified, and here’s the main reason why.
The German people needed to be taught a lesson that they cannot start wars without paying a heavy price. That did not happen after the First World War, and it lead to the “stabbed in the back” theory, that Hitler was able to exploit, all the way to gaining power.
Dresden made damn sure that the German people would forever lose their taste for war.
I won’t flame. I’ll give you history and fact.
Short answer? Yes. Look at a 1944 map of Saxony. All the rail lines merge in Dresden. The main yards and Hauptbahnnhaus were right smack in the center of the city.
Germans were using those rail lines to reinforce the Russian front.
Dresden “china” was world-famous as pottery, but how many know that the Wehrmacht used the ceramics from the Dresden potteries to make mine covers?
Zeiss Optikal had their corporate HQ and main plant there. The same Zeiss Optikal that made gunsights for the new ME-262 and HE-178 jet fighters, and periscopes for Kriegsmarine U-Boats.
Churchill personally asked it be hit, and NO ONE said, “No” to him.
Finally, the Soviets were less than 50 miles away, and Churchill was having serious misgivings about Comrade Stalin. he wanted a formerly-intact German city on the Eastern Front leveled to show Stalin and the Reds what the RAF and USAAF were capable of doing and to watch THEIR step.
BTW, the bomb loads were the same as any other raid. Alt Markt Dresden was just old, intact, and very wooden......
I have less than zero empathy or sympathy for what happened to ANY German or Japanese city during that war. They got just what they asked for.
Goebbels asked for “Total War”, and he got it.
I hate you.
It took you two (2) sentences to say what I bloviated on five paragraphs about.......
This is what you get, when you mess with us.
Even older civil war cannon balls are still a valid uxo threat here in the conus .
....Many render safes when stationed in Europe with WW I and II era ordnance found during surface and subsurface clearances or by civilian construction crews and farmers. Then there is crap the resistance and other underground groups cached that pops up still to this day by mother nature or human nature.
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PS....
You sure about that?
Remember, were talking about the Warlike Hun, here.....
We thought they lost their taste for war after the Hundred Years War......
Your nobama analogy would be OK if NO ONE objected, even if not voted for him. Not speaking up and hanging around is tacit approval! Understand the danger of speaking up, but it was not impossible to leave either Germany or Japan.
Well, it seems to be working so far.
Like the European Jews, oh wait, you can't.
As demonstrated by far over the top actions both countries citizenry sure seemed enthused for underground objecting!
If they can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.
The blood of any innocent Germans is on the hands of Schickelgruber and Company, not the Allies. They started it, we finished it.
Thank God YOU weren’t in any decision-making capacity back then.
Yeah....some of those Germans may not have supported Hitler.
Maybe they worked in the German defense industry, though. Legitimate target....along with trhey’re families and homes.
Lord Charwell, Churchill’s close advisor, called it “de-housing the Nazi workforce.”
Grow up, in the industrial age, civilians are legitimate targets.
If it wasn’t for Kurt Vonnegut’s book, Dresden would have been just another bombing mission.
What scares me, is in the not too distant future, all they will teach about WWII is going to be about Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and how “evil” we were.
I take it you did see “Valkyrie” and “The Last Mission”......
If you had you’d know there were active resistances in both Germany and Japan.
“The Last Days of Sophie Scholl” is another good movie. But even there I would say that the members of The White Rose knew that ultimately Germany would pay a heavy price for their sins.
There were few innocent Germans then.
Churchill was taken to task in Parliament by the Archbishop of Canterbury over bombing German cities. The good ABC asked how could they in good conscience bomb German children?
Churchill’s answer?
“At least the little buggers won’t grow up to be Nazis.”
Well....him and that Holocaust-denying revisionist David Irving.
Don’t forget the latest revisionism.
We brought Pearl Harbor upon ourselves because that evil Asian-hater Roosevelt cut off the Japs’ oil and scrap-metal........
Fantastic movie.
There’s another version of the White Rose/Scholl case made in Germany, (with subtitles, but turn ‘em off if you know the language), I saw once on DVD years ago.
Its magnificent.
One advantage to warfare from the Civil War through WWII, was that the nations fighting, that is the body of people composing those nations, had to endure a lengthy campaign taxing the entirety of the national resources. It was total war.
A major consequence of that type of strategic warfare was that it did change the volition of at least one nation, generally the loser.
Warfare, as we experience it today in the US, is so distant from the national psyche, that the only people fighting the war are those in the military itself, which is a very distinct minority. The only national perception of the war as been diluted to a comparative politic amongst cultural groups given equal standing within our body politic.
We’re a divided house and won’t stand when we allow the enemy within, nor will we likely succomb to a calamitous downfall, but we simply will experience a subtle collapse into an indiscernible quagmire. The final result might not be much more discernible than those photos of WWII Dresden after the radical Muslim influence continues to be tolerated.
The only real differences is that our national volition to oppose our enemies likely won’t change until we are defeated. Should that happen, I don’t see any other international powers with God-given virtue, such as the US had at the beginning and end of WWII to rebuild those who had been destroyed.
Perhaps we are simply a testimony for future governance that any government which tolerates such evil rejecting Christ and God’s provision, will ultimately fail.
The actor they got to portray Freisler in that movie was dead on. Makes me happy knowing that bastard bought it during an Allied Air Raid.
It's unfortunate that Fat Man wasn't ready in time for the European Theater. American lives might have been saved.
Just remember Pearl Harbor was a 7 pronged attack, with the majority of their attacks spent on the British and Dutch colonials from India to the Pacific and only followed after many years of very unjust Japanese conquest throughout Eastern Asia.
In some regards I suspect Roosevelt knew how to mobilize the national volition, although I never have concurred with his politics.
He was even referred to as “Raving Roland” by the hierarchy.
His life’s ambition was to be Minister of Justice.....which was denied him because of a leftist past.
Even Hitler called Friesler “That Old Bolshevik Bigmouth”.
Oh, I know.
I’ve read Prange and Goldberg’s books.
Farago’s, too.
No.
Never argued there were zero resistors, just very very few. Thus my condemnation of their populace for supportive participation in the aggression and atrocities.
i manage a seniors property, we have 6 residents that were born in Germany pre-WW2. They have been very candid about life during the war. Most of what they remember is the hunger. They werent as afraid of the bombs as much as they were of not having food the next day. One resident summed it up for me who was forced into the Hitlerjugend, “you did what you had to do just to eat, you joined the military so your parents and sisters could eat.”
Your points are well-taken, but as I said before, any innocent blood is firmly on the hands of Hitler, not the Allies.
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