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Never seen before WW II pics

Posted on 07/30/2012 5:46:33 PM PDT by Bikkuri

I have a friend from Holland (Netherlands).. he showed me (never seen before) pictures of his grandfather (that was an SS), BUT he is really reluctant to show them because he doesn't want a bad image on his family (name)..


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KEYWORDS: history; holland; photos; wwii
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To: Twotone

Same here, my family was here from the start, 2nd LT in the revolutionary war and documentation shows the later family also owned slaves, me I am a slave to the goverment, but I never owned anyone nore do I want to.


61 posted on 07/30/2012 7:06:10 PM PDT by VastRWCon (There are no coincidences in politics)
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To: Jim Robinson

CRAP!!! Now he’s not even talking to me!!! thanks to all of you ignorant jerks.. (I DID see the pics) :/

I’ve known hm 3 years.. took me a LONG time to get him to be willing to release the pics :/

fine.. I go silent on FR again.. jerks

(not all of you.. just the ones that WERE jerks :p)


62 posted on 07/30/2012 7:06:18 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: Bikkuri

I’ll call his bluff. That doesn’t look like an SS uniform, either German or Dutch. If Dutch, where is the ‘Wolf’s Hook’ rune? Tell him to come across with a picture of a recognizable SS uniform and the purported division.


63 posted on 07/30/2012 7:16:42 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Bikkuri; sushiman
WWII has amazing stories. On my father's side (he was Dutch, now naturalized US citizen) his uncle was in a Japanese POW camp while his wife was with the Dutch Nazis in Holland. She sent her oldest son to the Eastern Front where he died in Russia. At the end of the war she had all her hair cut off and was an outcast from the family. The uncle came back from Indonesia and found all his assets (house etc.) confiscated by the government because of his wife's exploits during the war. He sued the government and got all his assets returned.

My father and his brother were in the Dutch Underground. The GESTAPO was about to hang him, his brother and another uncle because of a hidden radio. Some how his brother talked the GESTAPO out of that action since VE Day was just a few days away. FYI, his brother escaped from a work camp somewhere close to Hannover. His job was collecting scrap from the German citizenry. He spoke German fluently. Because he was allowed some freedom at the railroad station, he made contact with a Dutch engineer who smuggled him back to Holland in the coal car. At his funeral about 10-20 fellow Dutch Underground survivors showed up....it was right out of To Catch a Thief.

64 posted on 07/30/2012 7:20:38 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. TY)
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To: occamrzr06

Actually, he is a soldier. A troop is a group of soldiers, usually in cavalry or armoured units.

I apologise in advance for my tendency to pick at nits ....


65 posted on 07/30/2012 7:21:08 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: PAR35

See Post 43.


66 posted on 07/30/2012 7:21:24 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: UCANSEE2

I stepped away. Sorry for the delay — I was being sarcastic and just havin’ fun.


67 posted on 07/30/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Bikkuri
All of the sarcastic remarks are pushing him away

Wow. I apologize.

We are just having fun while we wait for him to post the pictures. None of us meant any harm, or offense.

The CONSENSUS (as far as I can tell) is that we ALL would be honored to have these previously unseen rare photos appear here on FR.

68 posted on 07/30/2012 7:25:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: PAR35

I was talking to him when I read the earlier post about the pic NOT being SS... he said that was an early pic, before he qwas ‘Promoted’... but, he just now said that his g-father Never killed and Jews.. not what to make of that, nor whether is G-father would admit to it... I am just happy he is talking to me again..

Took me many years to get him to go this far.. I lost him in about 45 seconds because of comments here... I encouraged him that most people here are interested in history.. and would not hate him because of something that happened 70 years ago. First thing he said when I was able to get him to talk again.. ,”they hate me”... :/


69 posted on 07/30/2012 7:31:00 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: Bikkuri
On the internet no one knows you're a dog.

He can always post them anonymously, under a one time nome de net.

(You might let him know that nully worked with a former Hitler Youth, building parts for cruise missiles...)

70 posted on 07/30/2012 7:31:07 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1287 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Bikkuri
First thing he said when I was able to get him to talk again.. ,”they hate me”... :/

He couldn't be more wrong.

71 posted on 07/30/2012 7:33:31 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1287 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Bikkuri
I have a friend from Holland (Netherlands).. he showed me (never seen before) pictures of his grandfather (that was an SS),

The picture is not of an SS man.

72 posted on 07/30/2012 7:35:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: null and void

Also, his grandfather was a handsome fellow.


73 posted on 07/30/2012 7:36:05 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1287 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: sushiman
"my father-in-law was in the Imperial Japanese Army in WW2."

Got any pictures of him? I had two uncles who were in the U.S. Army in WWII. My one uncle was from Canada, and my other uncle was from Holland. My great-uncle from Canada was killed in France towards the end of WWI. He's buried in a British Military Cemetery there. My brother was in the U.S. Army, and served in Vietnam '66-67. My 5th great-grandfather was a Lieut. in the Duchess County (NY) Militia, and is listed as a Patriot in the D.A.R. Patriot Index.

74 posted on 07/30/2012 7:36:56 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: fso301

Please read all comments before posting....


75 posted on 07/30/2012 7:37:17 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: Twotone; Bikkuri
My family claims roots back before the founding of this country. They were southerners and, yes, slave-owners. We have copies of the wills, passing the slaves & their progeny from one generation to the next. I don’t consider it a bad mark on myself. I never owned slaves.

American historical and familial entanglements can get even more interesting than that. A lot of blacks in this country have ancestors who were white slave owners. In fact, most do. It's hard to find any American blacks who have pure African ancestry.

In my own (black) family, we have an ancestor who was a Brigadier General for the Confederate Army. His father wrote the Crittenden Compromise (an act which would have allowed slavery in certain American states).

That said, I don't condemn my own forefathers for being men of their times, and don't feel the slightest bit of shame about their historical legacies.

Bikkuri, let your friend know that we Americans don't condemn the sons for the sins of their father.

76 posted on 07/30/2012 7:42:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Bikkuri

Great pic!

Historically important for the uniform at the time.


77 posted on 07/30/2012 7:44:48 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Bikkuri

I apologize if any of my remarks offended him.

I was trying to use humor, and used to some of the back and forth taunting we do while on threads. Perhaps we made it hard for him (by having too much) when he has difficulty with English.

I don’t think anyone was being a jerk, or trying to be. And I read all the comments. Always do.

I do see how someone not real familiar with the language might take offense. Ask him to give it a second chance.
Actually, I would still recommend you get the photo url’s (if you can get his permission) and put them in a new THREAD. That way he can join in on discussion, and reveal whatever details he wants, or not, as he feels more comfortable.

IMHO, starting this thread, and not putting the pictures, and introducing a mystery guest, led to some of the divergent comments. You offered something (WWII pics), then told us you didn’t actually have them. I think you should shoulder some of the blame, don’t you?


78 posted on 07/30/2012 7:45:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Bikkuri

All these comments about Grandfathers are making me feel old. My Grandfather was in the Spanish-American War. Nobody knows any more if he ever left Florida.


79 posted on 07/30/2012 7:45:38 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: occamrzr06

***I hate people who despise other nationalities and the Dutch!***

But then, they share a border with the Belgians!


80 posted on 07/30/2012 7:46:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (EAT MORE CHICKEN! Beef is too high!)
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