Posted on 04/30/2012 1:22:04 PM PDT by Sopater
Relying on the anonymity of FR, I'm hoping for some candid discussion on how members deal with the "No Weapons on Property" prohibitions if they carry concealed. In WI, the fine is up to $500 and up to 30 days in jail for carrying on a property where it posted that weapons are prohibited.
“Its called private property rights”
Funny, while you are on your highhorse about private proeprty rights you don’t seem to mention the person as private property and the rights of that property, such has the right to self defense and private concealment. What’s next, the right to search my wallet?
That’s their property. They don’t even have to allow you to set foot on it. I don’t allow strangers to come on my property with weapons. And no, it wouldn’t be physically possible, either.
A property owner is within his natural rights to make your entry conditional on you submitting your wallet for inspection - and you are within your natural rights to decline those terms and not enter.
If it's private property then it's a no brainer..respect their rules.
Respect their private property rights but let them know very politely that you will not shop etc. there.
Rule 0.1: When hunting on private land that is posted with "No Hunting" signs, hide your firearm if you are caught and simply tell them you are just out hiking........
So the story goes like this: Our former county prosecutor and huge concealed carry proponent starts to walk into a local big chain supermarket and notices the “No Gun” sign.
He calls the store and ask the manager to meet him outside the building. He then tells the manager that as a former prosecutor but now civilian he must be able to protect himself but cannot if he must disarm before entering the store. He tells the manager that he will hold him personally responsible as would his estate should he be harmed or killed while on the store property since the manager assumed a level of extraordinary care and liability by disarming the patrons. The store manager promptly removed the sign. BTW this big chain does not have those signs up anywhere so it was a call made by the manager.
The ultimate property is a person.
Sounds like a reasonable plan of action.Of course a business owner has the right to ban firearms from private property just as certainly as we have the right to ban "Schemes Of My Father" from our private homes.Make them feel it in the bottom line.
What if, someone with a valid CHL, gets hurt or killed by a criminal on said premises and his/her dependent(s) sues the owner of said premises, arguing that the victim could have survived if he/she had been allowed to carry and use the defensive means(guns) legally allowed by local and state authorities?
Can’t the survivor(s) sue the hell out of the owner of the property?
If not, why not? Wasn’t the victim allowed to defend himself as guaranteed by the authorities of the state he resides in?
"We have noticed your sign, and are going to respect your wishes by shopping elsewhere ... You lost our business today and in the future". The opposite side reads "As an Ohio Concealed Handgun License Holder, I
. Have no felony convictions (lifetime)
. Have never been convicted of any drug offense
. Have passed a criminal history background check
How much do you know about your other customers?"
Immediately after CCW was passed in Ohio signs prohibiting weapons carry could be seen in the windows of many if not most stores in this part (northeast) of the State. Now they are a rarity. I doubt these cards had very much to do with the change but in a small way they may have helped.
Your limp may be a give away.
Our Second Amendment rights are no less than those. Why should a property owner be allowed to deny the one and not the others?
Our right to keep and bear arms does not disappear when we step over some arbitrary threshold.
Deadly weapons are also defined in statutes.
The bomb, the rifle, the grenades and the pistol don’t make you look tough.
Allowing that eagle to put his talons in you bare shoulder is what makes you impressive.
Nothing funny about it. Any private property owner has the right to prevent firearms on their property, whether you like it or not.
And to answer your really stupid question, no, the private property owner has no right to search your wallet nor your personal body..........
It might help if you just stick to the issue of private property owners having the right to restrict firearms on their premises without bringing bogus arguments of wallets and body searches into the equation......Sheesh!
“A property owner is within his natural rights to make your entry conditional on you submitting your wallet for inspection - and you are within your natural rights to decline those terms and not enter.”
It’s not that simple. At the least there is a conflict of rights.
People have a right “...to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches...” The Constitution/Bill of Rights secures that right against government (theoretically at least). Governments are to secure that right against other people (”...to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men...” and all that).
You do not lose all your rights just because you are on the property of someone else. If you did, you wouldn’t even have the right to leave without permission.
So it's your "right" to walk into a house of worship, or the local Atheist Club, and denounce the beliefs proclaimed there - and the owners will violate your rights by ejecting you? No sale.
If it's my property, your only right is to decline the search and promptly leave. I didn't have to let you in at all, so of course I get to let you in or let you stay only on conditions specified by me.
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