Australia: Those devastating Queensland Election Results: Voters hate lies and the Carbon Tax

JoNova ^ | March 24th, 2012 | Joanne

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Those devastating Queensland Election Results: Voters hate lies and the Carbon Tax

Thanks to Truthseeker & Anthony Watts

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UPDATE: Is this a record? Has there ever been a loss this bad in Australian history? Conservatives likely to win 74 seats of an 89 seat parliament.

Labor was reduced to only 11 seats in 1974, and on latest counting tonight appeared set to retain only nine seats. Some analysts put the figure even lower, at seven. This would mean Labor falling short of official party status and relying on the incoming LNP government to grant it party offices, staff and resources. The Queensland Greens failed to win a seat and suffered a fall in support. [The Australian]

This is thread for all those who want to comment on this election. According to Bolt, things are not just bad, they’re seriously awful for the Labor Party. Newspoll says LNP (conservatives) 55%, Labor 26%. Channel Nines polls says Labor could be left with less than 10 seats!

The ABC’s election predictor at 8:26 has LNP on 67 seats, Labor on four, others five, doubtful 15. Absolutely catastrophic for Labor. The current leader of the Labor Party in Queensland is Anna Bligh facing a 13% swing against her, and will need preferences just to stay in Parliament.

March 24, 2012, will be remembered as the day the electorate delivered a decisive, devastating blow to an incumbent Labor government. Courier Mail

For non-Australians, Australia has seven states (technically 6 states and 2 territories), and in 2007 all the States and the Federal Government were Labor. Currently Liberal (meaning conservative) governments have won NSW, WA, and Vic and now look like taking a landslide in Queensland. These are the four largest states.

ERRATA: Streuth. Technically 6 states. 6! Thanks to David W.

[Fred Nerks]

It’s a totally different culture, totally different people, we never had a gun culture to begin with, and what you never had, you don’t miss. Please do not equate your weapons history to Australia. It just isn’t the same. If I want to buy or own a gun, with certain sensible restrictions, I can...if I felt I had a need or a wish to.
But there’s no NEED.
NO NEED, GET IT?

[Fred Nerks]

IT WAS A WIPEOUT!

I expected a win, but this was slaughter...

[Fred Nerks]

Another one...may I point out that the gun buy-back was implemented under a CONSERVATIVE government?

I want you to try and imagine an America in which you had no NEED to own or carry a weapon. Can you do that? And if you can, (at least try) write back and tell me what it looks like. Hint: something very much like Australia, and I would like to see it stay that way.

[Fred Nerks]

Firearms Deaths, Australia, 1980 to 1995

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/productsbytopic/9C85BD1298C075EACA2568A900139342?OpenDocument

[txhurl]

We’d need to go back to monoculture and that’s not going to happen..

Congrats, OZ! Such great news in such a black week in America....

[Lazamataz]

I want you to try and imagine an America in which you had no NEED to own or carry a weapon.

Absolutely!!!

• It would be an America in which 2000 years of recorded history, of governments oppressing their people, worldwide, would be ignored.
• It would ignore the history of the last century, in which civilized governments (Germany, for example, was considered the pinnacle of technologic and sociologic evolution at that time), committed genocide numbering in the millions.
• It would disregard the many assaults, rapes, and murders committed with weapons other than firearms, leaving those who are weaker, older, and less physically-fit to be prey for those who are a little stronger.

• In short, it would be a world where unicorns shat skittles across beautiful, rainbow-adorned skies.

Note for you, Fred Nerks: Unicorns do not eat normal horse-food. They require passion-fruits and apricots. Also, buy twice as many salt-licks as usual for them, as opposed to the requirements of equines.

[Fred Nerks]

You’re nuts. The suggestion was that now we had a conservative landslide result in the Queensland State elections, this might translate into an over-all Australian conservative win at the next Federal Elections, which might very well be the case...and as a result, you and another freeper suggested that we might then ‘be able to get back our guns’ -

And I am trying to point out that the gun buy-back scheme was instigated by a conservative government to start with, and that Australia shares nothing by way of gun culture with the US.

I then provided a link to the relevant statistics, in which you will see that the majority of gun deaths in Australia are suicide and accident, which have dropped nearly in half since the new rules and safety measures were implemented.

And you write to me some nonsense about what to feed a unicorn and what governments have been up to for 2000 years?
Reminds me of nothing so much as a chook running around with it’s head cut off.

[Lancey Howard]

Thanks for the ping.

[Lancey Howard]

(( ping ))

I guess congratulations are due.

[Lazamataz]

You’re nuts.

....and you're blindly naive.

The suggestion was that now we had a conservative landslide result in the Queensland State elections, this might translate into an over-all Australian conservative win at the next Federal Elections, which might very well be the case...and as a result, you and another freeper suggested that we might then ‘be able to get back our guns’. And I am trying to point out that the gun buy-back scheme was instigated by a conservative government to start with, and that Australia shares nothing by way of gun culture with the US.

Oh, you have successfully demonstrated to me that your version of conservative, is by no means conservative in terms of gun ownership. You've also demonstrated that -- if you are an example of that -- that your populace has been utterly brainwashed, a'la Eric Holder, to view gun ownership negatively.

I then provided a link to the relevant statistics, in which you will see that the majority of gun deaths in Australia are suicide and accident, which have dropped nearly in half since the new rules and safety measures were implemented.

Statistics, eh? Well then, let us dive into some statistics:

OOPS, your accidental gun deaths are climbing.

OOPS, while your gun suicides have dropped, the populace has taken to hurling themselves out of windows.

OOPS, your rates of assault have steadily-risen.

OOPS, your murder rates, with or without guns, have not changed.

So, you have traded your freedom, for NOTHING.

Sources: S. Mukherjee, et.al. A Statistical Profile of Crime in Australia (Canberra, Australia: AIC, April 1993) RPP07, Table 4.5

Crime and Safety part of "Australia Now" series at Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) web site, Table 11.12

"Income and Welfare: Income support programs - Dept. of Family & Community Services" p/o "Australia Now" series at ABS web site.

"Crime and Justice: Expenditure on public order and safety" p/o "Australia Now" series at ABS web site.

For additional and much more in-depth analysis, peer-reviewed and -validation, please see John Lott's work, More Guns, Less Crime.

And you write to me some nonsense about what to feed a unicorn and what governments have been up to for 2000 years?

I need to tell you how to feed unicorns! There are so many skittles-sh*tting unicorns in your universe!

And nothing so neatly predicts the future, as the past.

History. Learn it or repeat it.

[Marine_Uncle]

I guess Fred answered that question for you.

[DTogo]

Who knows, maybe they’ll even get their guns back!

Will be asking my Mates Down Undah of their opinions.

[Lazamataz]

Check out my exchanges with Fred Nerks.

Looks like it would be a fools errand.

[Fred Nerks]

I really should know better by now than to discuss this issue with an American. You fear your government. Australians do not. I might feel differently if the left succeeds in the establishment of a Republic...good Lord, we might end up with a President who thinks he’s omnipotent like yours, or a system that is equally as divisive.

Meanwhile, the suicides will continue to find windows to jump out of.

[Lazamataz]

Translation: Faced with actual facts, and citations of sources, you got nuthin'.

I understand. :)

Well, congratulations on the limited freedoms you have won back.

[Fred Nerks]

you’re not worth my time

[Lazamataz]

Well, YOU were worth the 120 seconds it took to utterly devestate your lame claims. :)

[Fred Nerks]

Gun deaths halved in past 10 yearsBy Shane Wright
January 3, 2004

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/02/1072908906612.html

Guns killed more than 5000 people in Australia in the past decade. Nine out of 10 of the victims were male and most of them killed themselves.

The number of deaths caused by firearms dropped almost 50 per cent between 1991 and 2001, with the biggest yearly fall in deaths coming after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

A report by the Australian Institute of Criminology released yesterday found that the number of deaths caused by guns each year dropped to 333 in 2001 from 629 in 1991.

The biggest single form of firearm death was suicide, accounting for 3930 fatalities out of a total of 5083 studied. The number fell from 505 in 1991 to 261 in 2001.

Men were the victims of 4586 firearm deaths, women were victims of 497 - 261 of which were recorded as homicide.

Homicides dropped to 47 in 2001 from 84 in 1991, accidental deaths dropped to 18 from 29, while other forms of firearm deaths slipped to seven from 11.

The biggest drop in deaths followed Port Arthur, when Martin Bryant murdered 35 people with a military-style weapon.

After the massacre, tough gun laws were enacted across Australia, specifically targeting military-style weapons, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of weapons being destroyed.

In 1996, 521 people died from gun-inflicted wounds, while in 1997 this dropped to 437.

State and federal governments agreed in late 2002 on new laws aimed at restricting access to handguns. Last July import controls were increased.

Hunting rifles consistently accounted for the largest number of deaths, followed by shotguns, while the use of handguns has increased. The number of times a hunting rifle was implicated in a death dropped to 76 in 2001 from 282 in 1991. Shotgun deaths dropped from 133 to 54 but handgun deaths increased from 29 in 1991 to 49 in 2001.

[Fred Nerks]

And you must live in a very hostile environment, and I don’t.

[Marine_Uncle]

If your citizenry accept the type of gun laws you have in place, it is not others place to dictate to you what is best for your conditions.
That's my take on the issue.