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To: Lazamataz

You’re nuts. The suggestion was that now we had a conservative landslide result in the Queensland State elections, this might translate into an over-all Australian conservative win at the next Federal Elections, which might very well be the case...and as a result, you and another freeper suggested that we might then ‘be able to get back our guns’ -

And I am trying to point out that the gun buy-back scheme was instigated by a conservative government to start with, and that Australia shares nothing by way of gun culture with the US.

I then provided a link to the relevant statistics, in which you will see that the majority of gun deaths in Australia are suicide and accident, which have dropped nearly in half since the new rules and safety measures were implemented.

And you write to me some nonsense about what to feed a unicorn and what governments have been up to for 2000 years?
Reminds me of nothing so much as a chook running around with it’s head cut off.


47 posted on 03/25/2012 5:09:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
You’re nuts.

....and you're blindly naive.

The suggestion was that now we had a conservative landslide result in the Queensland State elections, this might translate into an over-all Australian conservative win at the next Federal Elections, which might very well be the case...and as a result, you and another freeper suggested that we might then ‘be able to get back our guns’. And I am trying to point out that the gun buy-back scheme was instigated by a conservative government to start with, and that Australia shares nothing by way of gun culture with the US.

Oh, you have successfully demonstrated to me that your version of conservative, is by no means conservative in terms of gun ownership. You've also demonstrated that -- if you are an example of that -- that your populace has been utterly brainwashed, a'la Eric Holder, to view gun ownership negatively.

I then provided a link to the relevant statistics, in which you will see that the majority of gun deaths in Australia are suicide and accident, which have dropped nearly in half since the new rules and safety measures were implemented.

Statistics, eh? Well then, let us dive into some statistics:

OOPS, your accidental gun deaths are climbing.

OOPS, while your gun suicides have dropped, the populace has taken to hurling themselves out of windows.

OOPS, your rates of assault have steadily-risen.

OOPS, your murder rates, with or without guns, have not changed.

So, you have traded your freedom, for NOTHING.

Sources: S. Mukherjee, et.al. A Statistical Profile of Crime in Australia (Canberra, Australia: AIC, April 1993) RPP07, Table 4.5

Crime and Safety part of "Australia Now" series at Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) web site, Table 11.12

"Income and Welfare: Income support programs - Dept. of Family & Community Services" p/o "Australia Now" series at ABS web site.

"Crime and Justice: Expenditure on public order and safety" p/o "Australia Now" series at ABS web site.

For additional and much more in-depth analysis, peer-reviewed and -validation, please see John Lott's work, More Guns, Less Crime.

And you write to me some nonsense about what to feed a unicorn and what governments have been up to for 2000 years?

I need to tell you how to feed unicorns! There are so many skittles-sh*tting unicorns in your universe!

And nothing so neatly predicts the future, as the past.

History. Learn it or repeat it.

50 posted on 03/25/2012 5:26:59 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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